Hi Ron Literally that would be like a rear-view mirror mounted on top of the intellectual level? :-)
I can take that. But no one is driving by looking into that, most motorcycle riders look forward at the road, using a map to find the way, to Bozeman for example. J A Andersson > Mr Anders, > I think the copplestone quote sheds a little light on the subject, the one > where > it is stated that truth is the highest intellectual pattern but..it is > subordinate > to intellectual quality. > > What does that mean? > > > I think it means that the best truths are those that support the best of the > lower > forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. > > > That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but also > its overall > excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. > > -Ron > > .. > > Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear women and gentlemen >> >> The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like the >> series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is an empty >> space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind of challenges >> but I don't cry if I can't do it right. >> >> What the four levels have in common is that the latter is built on and >> dependant on the former, but doing it by its own purpose. Right? >> A fifth MOQ level should thus be based on the intellectual level but with >> its own purpose. >> So what is the purpose of MOQ. Is it dependant on the intellectual level? Is >> it just a branch of the old "New age" spirituality? >> >> I don't claim that MOQ is the best and the only way to describe its >> precedent levels of pattern, but to me the perspective point, the value base >> for MOQ concepts, concepts ABOUT intellectual concepts, should be found >> somewhere outside the intellectual level. This "About" deserves that theres >> is a distance from what is observed and discussed. Otherwise it would run >> into an infinite loop of intellectuality. >> >> Maybe this is just the base for Excellence, the Intellectual Quality >> Experience of The MOQ Value or where do you think it is? >> >> Jan Anders >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan-Anders said: >>> In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based "above", >>> or "outside" the intellectual level. >>> >>> >>> >>> dmb says: >>> Metaphysics is above the intellectual level? Metaphysics is just a branch >>> of philosophy. It's the area of philosophy that deals with the most basic >>> questions like, "what is reality made of?" and "how can we have >>> knowledge?". Why do we need a whole other level of reality for that? >>> >>> I'm guessing that you take "metaphysics" to mean something that it does not >>> mean. New Age spirituality, or something? >>> >>> >>> Ron: >>> Thanks for endeavoring to clear that up Dave because I believe that is the >>> core of alot of misunderstanding here. >>> It needs to be hammered on. The consequences of equating MoQ with "reality" >>> are so great and far reaching >>> that it pretty much is a case of solving by redefining, you are still stuck >>> in the assumption that concepts are reality. >>> Now some may beg to argue that concepts are reality, that static patterns >>> are the flux of experience but then >>> we must ask how this differs from positivism. >>> >>> I think there are quite a few who do think metaphysics is a new age >>> spirituality, this error in understanding >>> accounts for much of the assertions of Bodvars theories and mistakes. >>> >>> This has always perplexed me that people here, on a philosophy forum, do >>> not take the time nor the effort >>> to research what it is we are talking about, we are on computers for cryin >>> out loud anyone can look up >>> any word or concept and instantly gain a better understanding of the terms >>> and the theories as they are >>> commonly understood and call them into question when used out of context or >>> inappropriately. >>> >>> Arlo had a point, I think some here are in it for the AA meeting quality >>> and are not interested in the philosophical >>> aspect, that shit is too square. When somebody points out that this is a >>> philosophy forum and not an AA meeting >>> they get shouted down as a dogmatist, dialectician, academic, SOMist . 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