Jan, You cannot see where you have been. You cannot see where you are going. You can only see now, now, now...
Marsha On May 29, 2013, at 6:11 AM, X <[email protected]> wrote: > Jan > We can not see where we are going only where we have been.. > > Ron > > Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Ron >> >> Literally that would be like a rear-view mirror mounted on top of the >> intellectual level? :-) >> >> I can take that. But no one is driving by looking into that, most motorcycle >> riders look forward at the road, using a map to find the way, to Bozeman for >> example. >> >> J A Andersson >> >>> Mr Anders, >>> I think the copplestone quote sheds a little light on the subject, the one >>> where >>> it is stated that truth is the highest intellectual pattern but..it is >>> subordinate >>> to intellectual quality. >>> >>> What does that mean? >>> >>> >>> I think it means that the best truths are those that support the best of >>> the lower >>> forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. >>> >>> >>> That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but >>> also its overall >>> excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. >>> >>> -Ron >>> >>> .. >>> >>> Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear women and gentlemen >>>> >>>> The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like >>>> the series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is an >>>> empty space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind of >>>> challenges but I don't cry if I can't do it right. >>>> >>>> What the four levels have in common is that the latter is built on and >>>> dependant on the former, but doing it by its own purpose. Right? >>>> A fifth MOQ level should thus be based on the intellectual level but with >>>> its own purpose. >>>> So what is the purpose of MOQ. Is it dependant on the intellectual level? >>>> Is it just a branch of the old "New age" spirituality? >>>> >>>> I don't claim that MOQ is the best and the only way to describe its >>>> precedent levels of pattern, but to me the perspective point, the value >>>> base for MOQ concepts, concepts ABOUT intellectual concepts, should be >>>> found somewhere outside the intellectual level. This "About" deserves that >>>> theres is a distance from what is observed and discussed. Otherwise it >>>> would run into an infinite loop of intellectuality. >>>> >>>> Maybe this is just the base for Excellence, the Intellectual Quality >>>> Experience of The MOQ Value or where do you think it is? >>>> >>>> Jan Anders >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jan-Anders said: >>>>> In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based >>>>> "above", or "outside" the intellectual level. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> dmb says: >>>>> Metaphysics is above the intellectual level? Metaphysics is just a branch >>>>> of philosophy. It's the area of philosophy that deals with the most basic >>>>> questions like, "what is reality made of?" and "how can we have >>>>> knowledge?". Why do we need a whole other level of reality for that? >>>>> >>>>> I'm guessing that you take "metaphysics" to mean something that it does >>>>> not mean. New Age spirituality, or something? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>> Thanks for endeavoring to clear that up Dave because I believe that is >>>>> the core of alot of misunderstanding here. >>>>> It needs to be hammered on. The consequences of equating MoQ with >>>>> "reality" are so great and far reaching >>>>> that it pretty much is a case of solving by redefining, you are still >>>>> stuck in the assumption that concepts are reality. >>>>> Now some may beg to argue that concepts are reality, that static patterns >>>>> are the flux of experience but then >>>>> we must ask how this differs from positivism. >>>>> >>>>> I think there are quite a few who do think metaphysics is a new age >>>>> spirituality, this error in understanding >>>>> accounts for much of the assertions of Bodvars theories and mistakes. >>>>> >>>>> This has always perplexed me that people here, on a philosophy forum, do >>>>> not take the time nor the effort >>>>> to research what it is we are talking about, we are on computers for >>>>> cryin out loud anyone can look up >>>>> any word or concept and instantly gain a better understanding of the >>>>> terms and the theories as they are >>>>> commonly understood and call them into question when used out of context >>>>> or inappropriately. >>>>> >>>>> Arlo had a point, I think some here are in it for the AA meeting quality >>>>> and are not interested in the philosophical >>>>> aspect, that shit is too square. When somebody points out that this is a >>>>> philosophy forum and not an AA meeting >>>>> they get shouted down as a dogmatist, dialectician, academic, SOMist . >>>>> Any time the living philosophy aspect >>>>> of this forum emerges it gets shut down by a disagreement of the very >>>>> basics of intellectual quality. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .. >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
