Mr Anders, I think the copplestone quote sheds a little light on the subject, the one where it is stated that truth is the highest intellectual pattern but..it is subordinate to intellectual quality.
What does that mean? I think it means that the best truths are those that support the best of the lower forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but also its overall excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. -Ron .. Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >Dear women and gentlemen > >The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like the >series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is an empty >space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind of challenges >but I don't cry if I can't do it right. > >What the four levels have in common is that the latter is built on and >dependant on the former, but doing it by its own purpose. Right? >A fifth MOQ level should thus be based on the intellectual level but with its >own purpose. >So what is the purpose of MOQ. Is it dependant on the intellectual level? Is >it just a branch of the old "New age" spirituality? > >I don't claim that MOQ is the best and the only way to describe its precedent >levels of pattern, but to me the perspective point, the value base for MOQ >concepts, concepts ABOUT intellectual concepts, should be found somewhere >outside the intellectual level. This "About" deserves that theres is a >distance from what is observed and discussed. Otherwise it would run into an >infinite loop of intellectuality. > >Maybe this is just the base for Excellence, the Intellectual Quality >Experience of The MOQ Value or where do you think it is? > >Jan Anders > > >> >> >> >> >> Jan-Anders said: >> In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based "above", >> or "outside" the intellectual level. >> >> >> >> dmb says: >> Metaphysics is above the intellectual level? Metaphysics is just a branch of >> philosophy. It's the area of philosophy that deals with the most basic >> questions like, "what is reality made of?" and "how can we have knowledge?". >> Why do we need a whole other level of reality for that? >> >> I'm guessing that you take "metaphysics" to mean something that it does not >> mean. New Age spirituality, or something? >> >> >> Ron: >> Thanks for endeavoring to clear that up Dave because I believe that is the >> core of alot of misunderstanding here. >> It needs to be hammered on. The consequences of equating MoQ with "reality" >> are so great and far reaching >> that it pretty much is a case of solving by redefining, you are still stuck >> in the assumption that concepts are reality. >> Now some may beg to argue that concepts are reality, that static patterns >> are the flux of experience but then >> we must ask how this differs from positivism. >> >> I think there are quite a few who do think metaphysics is a new age >> spirituality, this error in understanding >> accounts for much of the assertions of Bodvars theories and mistakes. >> >> This has always perplexed me that people here, on a philosophy forum, do not >> take the time nor the effort >> to research what it is we are talking about, we are on computers for cryin >> out loud anyone can look up >> any word or concept and instantly gain a better understanding of the terms >> and the theories as they are >> commonly understood and call them into question when used out of context or >> inappropriately. >> >> Arlo had a point, I think some here are in it for the AA meeting quality and >> are not interested in the philosophical >> aspect, that shit is too square. When somebody points out that this is a >> philosophy forum and not an AA meeting >> they get shouted down as a dogmatist, dialectician, academic, SOMist . Any >> time the living philosophy aspect >> of this forum emerges it gets shut down by a disagreement of the very basics >> of intellectual quality. >> >> >> >> .. >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
