Ant says;
I don't really have the emotional energy - at the moment - to deal with
people such as yourself with the typical egotistical ideas

as a dutch guy i want to know now how you use the word egotistical here.

wiktionairy says;

   1. Tending to talk excessively about oneself.
   2. Believing oneself to be better and more important than others.
   3. Egoistical <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/egoistical>.


I don't recognise myself in neither of these three definitions. i just
wanted to express an intellictual variation on RMP's Thoughts. Probably if
you don't parrot RMP here exactly according certain persons on this MOQ
forum you are to be considered egotistical. That's why in some (irritated)
reactions i used the words pullpit, priest and church becacause of what i
have experienced here on this forum until now, and i also read 10 to 15%,
is in my opinion far from an free open intellectual playing field.

I opened a discussion to consider a possible definition of quality in a two
dimensional abstract perspective.
Until now.........no reactions.........why?  ........................??????

Kind regards

Eddo




2013/6/5 Ant McWatt <[email protected]>

> Eddo,
>
> As Dave Buchanan is well aware, I don't really have the emotional energy -
> at the moment - to deal with people such as yourself with the typical
> egotistical ideas that you were introducing on the Facebook page of
> robertpirsig.org.  Hence my "referral" of your "queries" to MOQ Discuss
> and, in particular, Joe Maurer, (with his interest in the limitations of
> mathematical language) who appears to have some sort of "handle" on where
> you are coming from.
>
> Anyway, the bottom line is, did you learn anything constructive from your
> posts at MOQ Discuss?
>
> If not, are there any INTELLECTUAL issues which weren't addressed?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony
>
>
> N.B. Keep in mind that I read about 10-15% of the posts at MOQ Discuss so
> please don't presume that I've read anything you posted here.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Dave Buchanan stated June 5th:
>
> > dmb quoted Pirsig:
> > "We must understand that when a society undermines intellectual freedom
> for its own purposes it is absolutely morally bad, but when it represses
> biological freedom for its own purposes it is absolutely morally good.
> >
> >
> > Eddo Rats replied:
> >
> > A view weeks ago i was trying to express my intellectual freedom here on
> my findings about the relationship between SOM and MOQ on invitation of
> Ant. The cause of my findings had to do with my experience with Mental
> illness in the past and my training as a Elektronics Engineer. This MOQ
> forum is a kind of society with its rules for its own purpose. I expected
> to be able to discuss my findings on this MOQ forum free as in a free
> intellectual playground. In reality I was, instead of having an
> intellectual discussion, almost only being attacked on the fact that i am
> somebody with a mental illness history and for that reason not to be taken
> seriously. What does the MOQ moral hierarcy have to say about this
> situation?
> >
> >
> >
> > dmb says:
> > Having the intellectual freedom to express your views does not mean that
> those views are immune to criticism. Nobody is obliged to take you
> seriously. It's all about the quality of the views in question, right? We'd
> all like to be taken seriously but that is not a right. It's one of those
> things that has to be earned, like trust and respect.
> >
> > Please remember that your views struck me as "something a psychotic
> person would say" even BEFORE you shared the fact that you have a history
> of mental illness. This was no mere insult but, as it turns out, a
> reasonably accurate characterization - or at least a very lucky guess. And
> the fact that I'm not interested in such views is not a violation of your
> freedom but an exercise of my own freedom.
>
>
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