I agree imho The most absolute truth is to realise that there is no such thing as abosolute truth ;)
regards Eddo 2013/6/2 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Hi Eddo, > > I agree, there is no reason to accept or reject the Mythos. I don't think > an unpatterened life is even possible. To know the Mythos for what it is, > like a mirage, is enough. > > The most useful does not need the label 'truth.' The most useful can be, > well, the most useful, without the weight of 'truth'. Within one context > Euclide's geometry might be the most useful, in another context it might > not. To wrestle with truth because it has a long philosophical tradition > is not a good reason to defend it. I'm fine with letting it go. Critical > thinking is dependent on a healthy skepticism, not on clinging to tradition > or what is 'true'. Again, imho. > > > Marsha > > > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Marsha says > > There's a whole lot of gradation between the _label_ sane/insane. > > > > You're right there! > > I just quoted Pirsig from ZMM "There is only one kind of person, Phædrus > > said, who accepts or rejects the mythos in which he lives. And the > > definition of that person, when he has rejected the mythos, Phædrus said, > > is "*insane*." To go outside the mythos is to become *insane*. — > > > > Marsha says; Authors like RMP, help prepare one for such experiences. > Imho. > > > > I learned from RPM when he used the argument from Henry Poincaré in ZMM, > > That we all not use Euclidic Geometry because it is the most true but > > because it is the most practical Geometry. I applied this reasoning as a > > logical reason to avoid the situation of having to choose between > accepting > > or rejecting the Mythos. It's just more practical to stay within the > mythos. > > > > It helps :D > > > > regards Eddo > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/6/2 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> > >> Also, that cultural matrix can dissolve. It may dissolve for only a few > >> minutes. The results may not be "insanity" but the cultural matrix > never > >> seems as substantial. The entire matrix becomes like a mirage. Authors > >> like RMP, help prepare one for such experiences. Imho. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:29 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> There's a whole lot of gradation between the _label_ sane/insane. And > >> there is a huge range of cultural differences taught by our cultural > >> matrix. I've been doing a little reading on the subject of > communicational > >> differences by Deborah Tannen. How this plays out in an email forum > where > >> the physical signals are missing is interesting to consider. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> It's these moral codes in combination with the sensation we feel > caused > >> by > >>>> the do 's or don't 's conforming to these moral codes that keeps us > >> within > >>>> society, our cultural matrix or Mythos(as Pirsig puts it) Outside this > >>>> Mythos starts the insanity. This system(prison) of moral codes is > >>>> programmed by our social psychological conditioning we're subjected to > >> all > >>>> our lives. It's what you are!! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2013/5/31 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "There are so many kinds of problem people like Rigel around, he > >> thought, > >>>>> but the ones who go posing as moralists are the worst. Cost-free > >> morals. > >>>>> Full of great ways for others to improve without any expense to > >> themselves. > >>>>> There's an ego thing in there, too. They use the morals to make > someone > >>>>> else look inferior and that way look better themselves. It doesn't > >> matter > >>>>> what the moral code is - religious morals, political morals, racist > >> morals, > >>>>> capitalist morals, feminist morals, hippie morals - they're all the > >> same. > >>>>> The moral codes change but the meanness and the egotism stay the > same." > >>>>> (RMP, 'LILA', Chapter 7) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
