Hi Eddo, I agree, there is no reason to accept or reject the Mythos. I don't think an unpatterened life is even possible. To know the Mythos for what it is, like a mirage, is enough.
The most useful does not need the label 'truth.' The most useful can be, well, the most useful, without the weight of 'truth'. Within one context Euclide's geometry might be the most useful, in another context it might not. To wrestle with truth because it has a long philosophical tradition is not a good reason to defend it. I'm fine with letting it go. Critical thinking is dependent on a healthy skepticism, not on clinging to tradition or what is 'true'. Again, imho. Marsha On Jun 2, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha says > There's a whole lot of gradation between the _label_ sane/insane. > > You're right there! > I just quoted Pirsig from ZMM "There is only one kind of person, Phædrus > said, who accepts or rejects the mythos in which he lives. And the > definition of that person, when he has rejected the mythos, Phædrus said, > is "*insane*." To go outside the mythos is to become *insane*. — > > Marsha says; Authors like RMP, help prepare one for such experiences. Imho. > > I learned from RPM when he used the argument from Henry Poincaré in ZMM, > That we all not use Euclidic Geometry because it is the most true but > because it is the most practical Geometry. I applied this reasoning as a > logical reason to avoid the situation of having to choose between accepting > or rejecting the Mythos. It's just more practical to stay within the mythos. > > It helps :D > > regards Eddo > > > > > > 2013/6/2 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> >> Also, that cultural matrix can dissolve. It may dissolve for only a few >> minutes. The results may not be "insanity" but the cultural matrix never >> seems as substantial. The entire matrix becomes like a mirage. Authors >> like RMP, help prepare one for such experiences. Imho. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:29 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> There's a whole lot of gradation between the _label_ sane/insane. And >> there is a huge range of cultural differences taught by our cultural >> matrix. I've been doing a little reading on the subject of communicational >> differences by Deborah Tannen. How this plays out in an email forum where >> the physical signals are missing is interesting to consider. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It's these moral codes in combination with the sensation we feel caused >> by >>>> the do 's or don't 's conforming to these moral codes that keeps us >> within >>>> society, our cultural matrix or Mythos(as Pirsig puts it) Outside this >>>> Mythos starts the insanity. This system(prison) of moral codes is >>>> programmed by our social psychological conditioning we're subjected to >> all >>>> our lives. It's what you are!! >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/5/31 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "There are so many kinds of problem people like Rigel around, he >> thought, >>>>> but the ones who go posing as moralists are the worst. Cost-free >> morals. >>>>> Full of great ways for others to improve without any expense to >> themselves. >>>>> There's an ego thing in there, too. They use the morals to make someone >>>>> else look inferior and that way look better themselves. It doesn't >> matter >>>>> what the moral code is - religious morals, political morals, racist >> morals, >>>>> capitalist morals, feminist morals, hippie morals - they're all the >> same. >>>>> The moral codes change but the meanness and the egotism stay the same." >>>>> (RMP, 'LILA', Chapter 7) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
