Dan comments: I know most of you have said how you paid little attention to the discussions between myself and David Harding but we've been over this many times. I am not at all sure why I am bothering writing to this group other than Paul's mention of the MOQ discussions of late. Perhaps he reads some of my posts, at least.
In my opinion, the two contexts of the "MOQ" that Paul is talking about might actually be the subject/object metaphysics versus the MOQ proper. Again, I went over this with Harding at least a dozen times. RMP begins from that perspective before leading the reader into the MOQ specifics. It seems a pity no one bothered with reading our discussion. Hell, even Harding didn't seem to read it. Anyway, it is good to see these quotes from Lila's Child being used even if I do not completely agree with the analysis Paul offers. [Ron sez] Your right, there was only so much repetative egocentric bullying one can take. So no one paid much attention. I dont know why you are bothering to write either, (whaaaa) The two contexts are about 180degree enlightenment and 360degree enlightenment. The hero's journey. Going into the underworld of hades (180) and returning to improve the human condition(360) Breaking down static forms (180) and effectivly communicating experience through effective forms (360) Thats the arguement Mr Turner seems to be addressing. The one you disagree with. You seem to be saying that the context sits apon: S/O metaphysics (society)(everyday world) and "MOQ proper" (deconstruction of that everyday world) MOQ proper being the breakdown and deconstruction of S/O metaphysics (society) (180 degree enlightenment) (Hades, world of the dead). You are one of the (180 degree-ers ) that is the problem and the reason why you not only disagree but also why you did'nt really understand what Paul was saying. While plugging yourself shamelessly. In the new introduction to LILA, Pirsig writes: Zen Buddhism is sometimes symbolised with a circle.The bottom of this circle is where a student of Zen starts.At the 180 degree top of the circle is Zen enlightenment.Here the student has completely left the world of everyday affairs, sometimes called “small self,” and entered the world of the buddhas, or “big self.” But the circle is only half completed. The student, who has previously been directed by the events of his everyday life, is now directed in the buddhas’ world by a force called “dharma” which translates as “duty” but means a lot more.He does not just follow this dharma, he is one with it.He completes the circle, returning with an enlightened understanding to integrate himself with the world of everyday affairs. ZMMis a journey through the first half of the circle, Lila is a journey into the second half. .. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
