> Dan: > As I said (repeated ad nauseum) to Harding, there is no enlightenment. It > is only those who have yet to climb the mountain that the mountain exists. > Once at the top, one can see there never was any mountain at all. Going > back down into the valley the mountain exists once again but only as an > analogy. > > [Ron] > Well thats the perspective in which the Pragmatic theory of truth > opperates on > in terms of meaningful analogies, yet what is harped apon (ad nauseum) > in typical reactionary style is to paint that Pragmatic theory of truth as > possesive of the climber who has yet to climb the mountain and attacked > on those grounds. Attacking it on those grounds is not to understand > the use and meaning of the Pragmatic theory of truth. >
Dan: I am not attacking anything here. Enlightenment as in 180° zen has a significance to those whose goal is to achieve said enlightenment. The Gateless Gate is an analogy used to demonstrate this non-existence. Once the student passes through the gate they realize the gate was never there at all. In fact, enlightenment is sometimes likened to the realization of impermanence. Moving on, from what I understand of the pragmatic theory of truth, it is typical of correspondence theories in that value is found in the relationships between symbolic representations and objective states of reality. The MOQ sees truth as high quality intellectual patterns of value. It is a good idea to believe these intellectual patterns correspond to reality but it is only an idea. I think this is a stumbling stone for many folk when it comes to the MOQ. They tend to liken intellectual patterns to corresponding objective realities rather than to the idea of those realities being beyond our purview. [Ron responds] Typicaly the Pragmatic theory of truth is understood as a reaction against correspondence theory, value is found as a result of a process of inquirey rather than relationships between symbolic representations and objective states of reality. It is a means of clarifying thoughts. If anything, this has also been a stumbling block for many when they confuse the two and apply MoQ's attack on corresponence theory as an attack on all theories of truth. It is tantamount to equating intellect with SOM. Which is what I often understand you as supporting. . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
