Owen Barfield already said it pretty well (in Poetic Diction):

"As the secondary imagination makes meaning,
so the primary imagination makes things".

Ian

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Ian Glendinning
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi David (H), (David M mentioned)
>
> David H you reminded us of:
> "The value of assuming things exist (before) we experience them."
>
> Apart from the hierarchical / privileged use of the word "before" I'd
> say spot on. Maybe I'd say "as well as", "at appropriate times",
> rather than simply "before".
>
> This is of course the point of the "onticology" view of Levi Bryant,
> that David M has been drawing to our attention - objects (SPV's) exist
> democratically in the grand scheme, but neither view 1 or view 2 is
> privileged out of their context.
>
> You also said
> "DMB and Marsha play a game of name-calling from either perspective."
> Possibly, but it takes two to tango. Sadly, you join in the name
> calling with "Marsha fails etc ... " Sure, Marsha "sticks to her
> position", but not because she's "stuck in her position", rather
> because she's in an unnecessary battle here on MD.
>
> It's a battle we're all involved in beyond MD, because the objective
> scientistic position (View 2) is the dominating ideology generally
> (after Zizek). The point of us persevering with promoting MoQ as a
> better alternative is precisely because it recognises both views and
> their "radical empirical" relationship - the battle is really
> unnecessary - just in-fighting - here one would hope.
>
> The Pain - When Will It End?
> Anyway, progress.
> Ian
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