> [Ian] > ... not allowing a narrow SOMist (Context 2) view of intellect to dominate. > > [Arlo] > I read this, and I think I cried a little. > > Let's start with Paul's basic definition of "context two". > > "Context (2) is the articulation of a particular intellectual static pattern > - the 'plain of understanding' - of the MOQ." (Turner, 2013) > > How in the hell do you move from this to saying that context two is "a narrow > SOMist view"? Are you, like Bo, so hung up in the idea that intellectual > patterns are ipso facto "narrow SOMist" that even the articulation of the MOQ > becomes "SOMist" by virtue of being an intellectual pattern? > > And let's keep in mind what I consider to be a key statement in Paul's paper: > "the first context is not so much left behind as providing the > epistemological basis for the second, more ontological context." (Turner, > 2013) > > So even if we say that "context two" is about acting in the world > (pragmatically) AS IF we are experiencing pre-existing patterns, THIS IS NOT > SOM! SOM is the position that subject and objects ARE primary, and this is > profoundly different. In context two- informed by context one- we are able to > act in a high quality way, but not reproduce the mistake made in an SOM view. > > As Paul concludes, "It is my view that, with the two contexts combined as > phases within its overall development, the MOQ enacts a major expansion and > evolution of the modern Western mythos." (Turner, 2013) > > No where is this paper do I find any support for the idea that 'context two' > is 'a narrow SOMist view'. > > I realize I'm quoting quite a bit, but given your comment and your > implication that it aligns with Paul's paper I think its worth it. So one > final quote. > > Context two is "pragmatic high quality explanations of how the world operates > in accordance with the assumption that values are the ubiquitous, empirical > element of an evolving universe." (Turner, 2013)
[djh] Beautifully put Arlo. Context 2 is Not SOM. This is one of the great things about Paul's Paper - we can say so much in so few words. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
