> [DMB] > For the second time today, I'll object to the notion that my position is > limited to just one of the two contexts. > > [Arlo] > Yeah, I think this entire "two contexts" has been drawn into polar views, and > I doubt this is what David Morey intended (at least I didn't read this into > his writing).
[djh] You mean Paul Turner? > [Arlo] > As I see it, both are active all of the time. We should not be "in context > one" or "in context two", but we should be in "context" talking about the > value of Quality in both lights. > > For example, even though Pirsig would say the motorcycle-as-object as no > primary reality, I think he'd say that if you were going to ride it, then > taking the time to maintain it well, to understand it, to take the the time > to do it good. I think the same can be said of philosophy. No one is arguing > for scientific objectivism (this is absurd), arguing for intellectual quality > is NOT arguing for 'reificiation' or subject-object primacy, or any such > thing. Philosophy is just like that motorcycle. No one is making you ride it. > No one is making you maintain it. But if you choose to ride, and if you > choose to do the maintenance, then I think it will carry you further if you > take the time to do it right. Just jumping onto a motorcycle and repeating > "this motorcycle is an illusion", and calling the people discussing repair > and maintenance "static" or "context two" is a fool's journey. [djh] Beautifully said Arlo. You have clearly shown here that both contexts are different but that both are important. > As I said many times, we ALL understand the value of meditation, we've ALL > (likely) been to Zen centers, we all (maybe) have felt the primal sway in > drum circles, or any number of activities to 'flow', to groove, to clear the > mind, to shatter our patterned beliefs and habits. Yeah. We GET that. But, > you also got to grow your analogues (to use ZMM language), meditation alone > will never make you a better mechanic. ZMM/LILA was not an argument for > abandoning reason and embracing discoherence and anti-intellectualism. He > didn't tell mechanics to throw away their tools, and forget about fixing > their bikes because they were just hypothetical illusions anyway, and go > meditate. He said 'you can become a BETTER mechanic by putting Quality > first'. And, after that, he took the time and care to craft a well-argued, > coherent metaphysics. Isn't the point of this forum to CARE about philosophy, > to do it good, and to take the time to articulate (like Pirsig) a > well-argued, coherent metaphy sics? I thought so. [djh] Exactly. Showing Marsha the alternative quality is near next to an impossible task. She just doesn't seem interested... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
