Okay, Doc. I guess you've made your choice.
> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:15:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear > > Dave, > > You're lucky to have caught me. I was just going out for my local Klan's > Anti-Muslim Women week. One of my favourite times of the year! We > especially despise these culturally backward people who hide behind full > length dress. Not in the West, man, no Siree, are we accepting such backward > behaviour! > > Anyway, as I have a spare ten minutes while I just put my head dress on... > > ---------------------------------------- > Dave Buchanan posted August 1st 2013: > > Marsha said to Ant McWatt: > > > > I can accept that dmb has different value judgements than mine as a result > > of our different histories and current patterns of values. > > > > > > > > Ant Mcwatt said to his dear Marsha: > > > > What you have said is true but in this context of a philosophical > > discussion group if you just produce the occasional mystical quote then you > > won't be making the most of your knowledge about Pirsig's work or the > > Discussion group. ...Though you have provided some good links and > > references over the years, I can't remember reading one of your numerous > > posts and thinking "Hey, that's a good way of putting of that!". ...the > > production of quotes is very static. In fact, it could be considered a form > > of trolling. ...Unfortunately, you can't be removed from this discussion > > group for being boring though - in future - I do hope to hear more original > > thoughts from the "real" Marsha than these mystical quotes. I know you're > > relatively very well read so you could do a lot more to help people new to > > the MOQ (and Pirsig's work in general). > > > > > > > > DMB said: > > It seems that you're trying to help, Doc, but you're very much missing the > point. > > Doc McWatt says: > > The point is on the top of my head dress, Boy; look up and you'll see it > clearly! As for missing it, I don't miss my point, I just miss my gimp suit. > Sadly, my black boyfriend took it with him in 1972 when he left me. That's > why I joined the klan, Dave, I miss my gimp suit. (Please say a prayer for > me and ask Baby Jesus to find the Doc's gimp suit. The Doc doesn't mean to > be racist, he just wants his gimp suit back). > > DMB said: > > I dare say that you might even be making it worse. As you've construed it, > Marsha's deployment of naked quotes is boring, unoriginal, and represents a > lost opportunity to helpfully contribute her knowledge of the MOQ. > > Doc McWatt says: > > Naked quotes... Yeah, I know not everyone (and especially those of a > sensitive gentle nature) can handle those naked quotes... > > DMB continued: > > The problem is that Marsha's quotes are irrelevant - absurd non-sequitors - > and she uses them to evade the substance of the matter. The only honest and > fair way to deal with this situation is to deal with the substance of the > matter. This is exactly what Marsha refuses to do and you're not doing it > either. How many times do I have to point out that this is a philosophical > discussion group? How about if we discuss philosophical ideas and their > relative merits? If we would only do what we're supposed to be doing, > everyone (including you, I hope) would clearly see that Marsha has nothing to > contribute. (I have asked you to examine her "original" thoughts and please > explain how they are anything other than unintelligible gibberish. Except for > Arlo, it seems that nobody has addressed the substance of these complaints.) > > Doc McWatt says: > > Funny you should say that, Mr DMB. I was just reading St. Paul Turner's > letter to the "UnDivine Marsha" of June 17th and it was "Spot the Dummie" > time! Was it St. Paul or the UnDivine Marsha? > > Let's all go back and see: > > Dan's bird: > > > The "Dummies Guide" reference is cute. - I've read a number of different > > texts by Nagarjuna, and there should be nothing odd about my accepting a > > static pattern as a mirage. I'm sure you probably read Jay Garfield's > > translation/interpretation of the MMK. While he's not the Buddha or > > Nagarjuna, he might illuminate the use of mirage... > > > St. Paul: > > I'm glad you saw the humour there but I've stopped laughing and now I feel > like the Dummie because Nagarjuna is indeed translated as using "mirage" in > MMK. I do like Jay Garfield. I've only read a couple of essays and his > analysis of the MMK. I haven't read the book you quote from below. > > > Who's looking the Dummie now? (Remember, I haven't had my gimp suit on for 41 > years so it ain't me). > > > DMB continued: > > What reason do we have to believe that Marsha understands anything about the > MOQ? And surely there is a difference between reading a lot and reading well. > As far as I can tell, she has never understood anything I've ever said, never > got the point of anything and never given a proper answer to any criticism. > > Doc McWatt says: > > She's teasing you Boy! Don't fall for it. (This is the type of thing that > can happen when someone doesn't have a gimp suit. They have to make-up their > own different type of... "private entertainment"). > > > DMB continued: > > This is irresponsible and dishonest. It's disruptive. It's produces nothing > but hostility, confusion and distraction. But as you've construed it, Marsha > has only hidden her secret intellectuality by using the wrong style! > Seriously, what reason is there to think she understands the MOQ? I don't see > any evidence of that. I believe that when I see it. > > Doc McWatt says: > > That makes two of us though not many people can say they've made St. Paul > feel a Dummie at Discuss. However, if Dan's girl can do that in the context > of Jay Garfield (one cool cat) then who knows regarding Captain Bob's MOQ! > > > ---cut--- > > > DMB concluded: > > Gender is a totally bogus reason to retain an incompetent troll and I hardly > think Connecticut counts as a different culture. C'mon, Doc. Now you're being > silly. > > The MOQ's moral codes say that social and biological values should not be > allowed to interfere with intellectual progress, right? What do you suppose > that means with respect to this discussion group? I think it means that one's > merit is measured by basic intellectual standards, at least. And we hope that > is done artfully. But simply refusing to do it at all? I think that's > obviously not acceptable. > > > Doc McWatt ends on a high (no smoking now kids!): > > A quoteless Dan's girl will either raise her game or drop like a stone. > > I've > seen the books, the Art, the cool cats. Me and the cats even had to compete > for the bed. Cary Grant had a big cat problem in Connecticut too but unlike > me he didn't have my Little Richard CD collection with him > (way too cool for the average cat!). > > Peace and love and all that, > > The Doc > > > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
