> [Arlo]
> Rather, we get people who have latched onto this rather literally and are 
> using it to justify two 'competing' views rather than understanding their 
> symbiotic and synthetic co-occurence as, I think, both Pirsig and Northrop 
> would've hoped. 

[djh]
Do you honestly think Marsha prefers two 'competing' views? I don't think so.  
Case in point is her definition of static patterns including the description 
'ever-changing'. With such a definition what Marsha thinks she has done is 
capture DQ in her definition of static quality.  In other words - Marsha is 
more symbiosis than competition.  You'd be right that by thinking she has 
captured DQ in her definition of sq, that she has inadvertently destroyed the 
quality of Context two and relegated herself to an ugly Context one - but from 
her perspective she has already combined the two contexts into her 
understanding of the MOQ. In other words - what Marsha fails to appreciate is 
the *difference* between the two contexts.  They are two very different 
perspectives and require different values and assumptions. I don't think Marsha 
sees this at all - dismissing the ugliness of static quality from her 
perspective as SOM and thus neglects the intellectual values of precision, 
clarity an
 d the assumption that things exist before we experience them.
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