(Adrie), resp to David Buchanan. Toplevel effort to keep everyone of us outside the metaphysikal fiction corner.
2013/9/19 Horse <[email protected]> > Hi Marsha > > Questions have been asked and ignored on all sides and as I alluded to > previously there is a lot of historical baggage involved in these > discussions so what I'm asking for from EVERYONE on this list is to hit the > reset button, forget past problems and start over. > > It's really not that hard as long as the desire to discuss reasonably and > rationally is there - if it's not then why bother? In fact if there really > is no desire to discuss Pirsig's work reasonably and rationally then what's > the point of this forum? > > Horse > > > On 19/09/2013 12:16, MarshaV wrote: > >> Horse, >> >> I do try to respond, but often the complaints make no sense to me, or >> come from nowhere. How am I suppose to defend against having my thoughts >> accused of representing nihilistic relativism or solipsistic subjectivism? >> Based on what? Dmb's opinion? And when I ask for evidence, I get >> something like "Anyone can just check the archives." Or my request for >> precise evidence and explanation is transformed onto "evasion"? While a >> rhetorical device like stating my "attitude is way too sanctimonious and >> it's as pretentious as a monkey in a tux." is humorous, it is an ad hominem >> attack and besides any intellectual point. I might be able to address >> complaints if they did not contain sideshow theatrics. I have been very >> diligent in trying to address serious and clear complaints. >> >> I do like you suggestion that discussions be confined to one point at a >> time, and those points should address ideas and not people. >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> p.s. Until you state otherwise I will take the 4 posts per day rule to >> be the case. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Marsha >>> >>> I think that much of what you say below is a result of prior >>> unwillingness to engage in discussions which has raised tempers and, >>> consequently resulted in, for want of a better phrase, a slanging match! >>> If this is to change then it will take an effort by all concerned (not >>> just yourself) to take a step back, take a deep breath and re-engage in a >>> reasonable, rational and measured way. No insults, sarcasm, parody, >>> misrepresentation etc.and no prevarication, sidestepping, dismissal or >>> evasion. >>> >>> There has been far too much acrimony (on both sides) in the past and >>> this needs to stop. >>> >>> May I suggest that, if you are now prepared to engage meaningfully with >>> others on this forum, then both yourself and anyone else involved take one >>> point at a time and consider only that point until you have at least some >>> idea of where you agree or disagree. I would also suggest that, given the >>> four posts a day limit currently in force, that everyone involved in the >>> discussions limit their responses apprpriately in order that you are all >>> able to answer questions and criticisms made. I will be quite happy to >>> increase the post limitations, either individually or overall, if it is >>> required or necessary. >>> >>> Please remember (all of you) that moq_discuss is the ONLY forum on the >>> internet that works AND is exclusive to the MoQ and Robert Pirsigs work. So >>> please exercise restraint and enter into the discussions in a fair and >>> reasonable way. >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/09/2013 10:28, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>> Horse, >>>> >>>> I do not feel obliged to defend myself against projections, >>>> misrepresentations, sarcasm, irony, parody and insults, which does not >>>> represent a fair discussion. For example, I should argue that I am not a >>>> postmodernism psychopath? I cannot relate to dmb's complaints or >>>> accusations within any statement I have ever made. If he would present my >>>> exact statements and cite the precise post (subject and time&date) as >>>> context, I will try to explain. >>>> >>>> Recently I wrote to dmb: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:38 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>> Until you can admit that you might be wrong, that you might need >>>>> correcting, you will never learn. In other words, you will never learn. >>>>> >>>> Wrong about your misrepresentations? For example, you've repeatedly >>>> said that I don't understand the difference between Dynamic Quality and >>>> static quality. I have forever said that the difference is Dynamic Quality >>>> is unpatterned, while static quality is patterned? Am I wrong? >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Where was the answer to my question? >>>> Marsha >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> — Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> >> > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
