[Ron] My thoughts too,when the concept of neti-neti essentialy nullifies experience as less than or limited the risk is developing the appearence-reality problem again.
[Arlo] Right, and all sorts of other problems surrounding the nihilism/anti-intellectualism/relativism/subjectivism morass. At the risk of violating the 'undefined' taboo, I'd say that Pirsig's "Quality" is more "this! not that!" (in terms of value-experience) than "not this, not that". That moment of pre-intellectual experience, be it the amoeba moving from acid, the awesomeness of that song the first time you hear it, the solution to the stuck screw, all of these are experiences of something (this) being 'better' than something else (that). Neti, neti is in many used (at least as its been used here) as a "mu" answer. But if Pirsig himself saw a 'mu' as the only answer, we'd never have been given ZMM and LILA. He would've just returned to the silence of Montana's mountains and shut up. Instead, ZMM and LILA are answers, the term "Quality" IS a definition, it IS an answer. ZMM is that immediate semiotic/meaning point, just saying the 'undefined is Quality' has meaning, and its this meaning that radiates into LILA (and its also elaborated on in ZMM, of course). [Arlo] Are you planning to do Milford on the bike? [Arlo] Was thinking about it. Its mostly Interstate between here and there, and I've been hesitant to ride above 55mph with my wrist not 100% (for emergency braking reasons). Might be cold too, the weather this summer has been quite abnormal, wasn't prepared to dig out the full leathers already. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
