Hi Ron
[Ron]
...you seem to insist on the primacy of an external
independent prime creator of pattern that human concepts correspond to and
mirror when
the Pragmatic assertion is the primacy of human imposition on experience.
DM: No I insist there are differences and patterns in primary experience, this
is a key latch to get reason going, only when we conceptualise and try to
understand experience do we think about things, how they come and go and
evolve do we postulate the good idea of the world as transcending ordinary
experience, I keep saying this, but you may be misled by DMB's endless false
assertions about what I am saying. The pre-conceptual patterns I recognise are
found in experience, and do not need concepts to be experienced, but obviously
to discuss or make sense of these we need concepts and these are unavoidable in
culture but all built on the percepts of experience. For me primary experience
is dynamic and static not just dynamic, simple idea really, sure DQ
dominates, may be prior to the SQ-DQ mix, but for any complex experience to
get going we need both, and concepts and language come later.
[Ron]
I see, it is about context. From one perspective, to be, to exist to experience
is to conceptualize and
in this perspective pure pre-conceptual experience is mystic and unknowable.
Then there is pre-conceptual in terms of pre-reflection, patterned and knowable
but inexpressable in language.
You are not talking about the same thing.
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