Andre, According to the MoQ, intellect should rrule society - but this is plainly impossible. The only way intellect can rule over social patterns is within the mind of an individual who is trying to be objective. The minute that individual tries to rule over any other person or society we are at the level of social conflict again.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > Horse to John: > > But what I don't see is that "...the Giant perpetuates itself over the > generations and grows - via intellectual SOM patterns. " I think it's a lot > more complex than that. > > Andre: > Or it could be a lot less complex than that Horse (with all respect). That > which Pirsig is referring to is a social pattern of value. Dan and dmb have > already shown this. If the phenomenon of 'power politics' (as John calls > it) leading to such wonderful successes as can be seen in Japan and China > (John's examples) and he fails the ability to see 'the Giant' as social > patterns of value and instead resorts to a subject-object stance to explain > it then what can we expect next? > > J: more questions, that's what. The more hypothesis you have, the more you generate. Andre: Instead of the world being composed of nothing but value we get the > scenario: well, it is partly value but also a bit of subjects and objects. > This simply will not do for an MoQ'er. > > It undermines the MoQ no end. In fact, it makes the MoQ laughable. > Subjects and Objects ARE values, therefore they are real. And if you ask me what reality is, well it's a value! So sure, the argument goes in a bit of a circle but then everything does. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
