Horse to John:
But what I don't see is that "...the Giant perpetuates itself over the
generations and grows - via intellectual SOM patterns. " I think it's a
lot more complex than that.
Andre:
Or it could be a lot less complex than that Horse (with all respect).
That which Pirsig is referring to is a social pattern of value. Dan and
dmb have already shown this. If the phenomenon of 'power politics' (as
John calls it) leading to such wonderful successes as can be seen in
Japan and China (John's examples) and he fails the ability to see 'the
Giant' as social patterns of value and instead resorts to a
subject-object stance to explain it then what can we expect next?
Instead of the world being composed of nothing but value we get the
scenario: well, it is partly value but also a bit of subjects and
objects. This simply will not do for an MoQ'er.
It undermines the MoQ no end. In fact, it makes the MoQ laughable.
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