> On May 22, 2014, at 12:44 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ron, All,
>
>
>
>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> .
>>>
>> Ron:
>> John is being accused of being MOQ
>> Anti-intellectual. He tends toward lumping the problem: SOM
>> intellectualism that undercuts
>> Social values with the solution
>> An intellectualism that supports social level values and seeks to better
>> them the quote below sums it up well:
>
> Jc: I haven't heard it put that way before, but surely I was arguing for
> the "solution space" as you put it.
>
> The MoQ intellect, includes the heart - ethical imperative toward the
> good. Absolutely, I agree.
>
Ron:
Then why argue over the problem space as if that is what is being supported in
Pirsigs work?
>
>>>
>>> Page 309 - The intellectuals of the 60's sympathized with lawlessness
>>> because they perceived social codes as the common enemy. "But the
>>> Metaphysics of Quality concludes that this sympathy was really stupid."
>>>
>>> Ron:
>> Stupid is a good word for it.
>
> JC:
> Sadly, yes. Often the case when a people are set free, they don't know how
> to responsibly hand their freedom at first. But its still better to be
> free.
>
Ron:
What good is freedom when you are too stupid to make good quality intellectual
decisions? Is being a slave to biological patterns truly leading a life that's
free?
>
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