John,
I have started a new thread and I am working on an essay on just this topic. 
Hope you join in on the discussion, should prove interesting.
-Ron


> On May 23, 2014, at 12:33 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> 
> Jc prev:
> 
>> 
>>> The MoQ intellect, includes the heart - ethical imperative toward the
>>> good.  Absolutely, I agree.
>> Ron:
>> Then why argue over the problem space as if that is what is being
>> supported in Pirsigs work?
> 
> Jc:  Because the problem space is where we all live?  And unless we can
> apply Pirsig's work directly to problems, then it's just another book in a
> world full of books.
> 
>>>> Page 309 -    The intellectuals of the 60's sympathized with lawlessness
>>>> because they perceived social codes as the common enemy.  "But the
>>>> Metaphysics of Quality concludes that this sympathy was really stupid."
>>>> 
>>>> Ron:
>>> Stupid is a good word for it.
> 
>>> JC:
>>> Sadly, yes.  Often the case when a people are set free, they don't know
>> how
>>> to responsibly hand their freedom at first.  But its still better to be
>>> free.
>> Ron:
>> What good is freedom when you are too stupid to make good quality
>> intellectual decisions? Is being a slave to biological patterns truly
>> leading a life that's free?
> 
> I'd settle for good social decisions.  Quality intellect is rare.
> 
> John
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