On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Ant McWatt wrote: > > "It's a subtle SOM habit (certainly for a Westerner) to think of rocks and > trees and all the other inorganic & biological patterns as somehow being MORE > real than social & intellectual patterns but Northrop shows us this is > scientifically & logically incorrect. This is why I think the MOQ > perspective - though unnatural at first for someone brought up in an SOM > dominated culture - is a more coherent and therefore BETTER one to hold." > > http://moq.robertpirsig.org/ > > > Ron Kulp commented on the above, August 12th 2014: > > "That's another useful term, to "hold" a perspective. In land surveying When > we try to give meaning to descriptions, we say we "Hold" certain physical and > abstract Evidence for particular reasons. Our reasons are subjected to peer > And legal Review. Where am I going with this?" > > "I guess I see a lot of similarities With orientation, when we hold > Particular values for particular reasons we orient the way we Think and > perceive, we lend a greater Broader meaning to the mosaic of Value in > experience. In boundary survey the term "to hold" is an act Based on careful > reflection, the act Of reference or source of belief." > > Ant McWatt comments: > > Ron, I didn't know that land surveyors used that phrase "to hold" as well. > Interesting coincidence... Anyway, I think a helpful way of looking at this > issue is to use the map analogies introduced by Ron DiSanto in the first > chapter of the "Guidebook to ZMM": > > http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/26/books/books-of-the-times-retracing-the-tire-prints-on-a-philosophical-journey.html > > > SOM is a particular map of the Human World, the MOQ is another one as is > Roman Catholicism, Atheism and the many other "isms" that people have > invented over the eons. The MOQ is relatively a new map so (thanks to the > genius of its creator, Robert Pirsig) takes into account many aspects of the > contemporary world (from using technology to East Asian philosophy to the > nature of celebrity) that older maps DON'T take proper account of or, worse > still, miss all together. > > Does this make sense? > > Ron: Sure does, what I think I find most Interesting is that the MOQ strikes Me as a map makers guide also. Just as in the mapping profession, There are many kinds of maps used For differing purposes.. I just notice How heavy in philosophy the art of measure is steeped in my daily grind. I don't get out much. > > > . > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
