Arlo, You seem to have a pretty good handle on most of the "unorthodox". Bo has been driven by anti-muslim bias, exactly as you say and Platt was a thorough-going conservative who saw the loss of traditional values. Marsha is a little trickier because her anti-intellectual bias came more from her pro-mysticism bias, imho. And the refusal to be "caught" definitionally.
But where you went off target is right here: On Mon, > John, well, he's the guy who insists he understands Einstein's Theory of > Relativity while at the same time denouncing it for 'ignoring Spacetime'. Jc: what? Where'd you get that? My problem with "ignorance of space/time" isn't with Einstein, it's with the way cosmology is oversimplified for educational purposes. Preaching that the universe has a certain age, is logically contradictory. Arlo: > "Yeah, sure Mr. Einstein, if your Theory of Relativity is so great, then > how come you don't account for spacetime?" To which I can only really shake > my head and sigh. I think, legitimately, John is stuck in having normalized > ZMM's problem space. For him, the division of 'art' and 'science' is > natural, and the solution is to keep them functionally separate but kinda > slosh them together a bit. Jc: now this is a fair criticism. "kind of slosh them around a bit" is a pretty good description I guess because I don't see any hard and fast lines, but I do see two differing ways of thinking about experience with individuals having both, but usually tendencies toward one or the other. I admit I do not have a precise analysis and I wonder if such a definitional divide is even possible but I think anybody who has really understood Dewey, for instance, would see where I was coming from. Arlo: > When he asked me "would you want a sculptor repairing your motorcycle?" it > was one of those bizarre questions that really evidences a gross > misunderstanding of Pirsig's entire undertaking. But, of course, that's > where the ego comes in, and he simply turns all the evidence of this > misunderstanding into proof of his genius. His incoherence, in his mind, is > proof only that no one understands his brilliance. > Jc: I'm not a genius, by any measurement but I do try to be coherent and I believe in the dialogic process which works toward evolving understanding. I'm somewhat aghast at the lack of coherent dialogue offered by those who lambast me without supporting arguments and I can't understand how such a noble-seeming project as the MD has fallen into such low-quality discussion. Although I have a few guesses. Arlo; > > "Where is art?"... Indeed, Mr. Einstein, just where is spacetime in your > theory, you loser, bow to my genius. > > In the end, Ant, as Ron White is fond of saying, "you can't fix stupid." > > > > Really? You can't fix stupidity? What good is your whole career then? I may not be a genius, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid. JohnC Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
