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On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:54 PM, WES STEWART <wes...@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Hello X-Acto, I will keep to Pirsigs or Demings description of a SYSTEM, >> because both of them talk about corruption, you can review Pirsigs full >> description in Chapter 8. >> Pirsig is extremely artful in his description because he has a Doctorate >> in Creative Writing; Deming a physicist, mathematician, and statistician, >> sometimes outwardly states they are corrupted by their greed. I think that >> the systems theorists description that you sent me was well thought out of >> what it should be; but naive as to what happens in real life, a SYSTEM can >> create the Iraq war and unknowingly produce an ISIS, but was it really an >> intelligent move? >> >> Here is some of what Pirsig states in Chapter 8; >> >> "But to tear down a factory or revolt against a government....because it >> is a system is to attack effects rather than causes, and as long as the >> attack is against effects, no change is possible. The true system, the real >> system is the construction of systemic thought itself, rationality of >> thought, and if a factory is torn down but the rationality of thought which >> produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce >> another factory." >> >> "If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the same systematic >> patterns of thought are left intact, >> then those same patterns will repeat themselves in succeeding >> governments." From Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert >> Pirsig >> >> In this imaginary story "the real system is the construction of systemic >> thought itself, rationality of thought" of the capitalist system >> which is based wholly on greed and self interest, which is a part of >> government just as much as it is part of business. The rationality of the >> CEO and the accountant in this made up story is the real system, "the >> construction of systemic thought itself, rationality of thought",is not >> science its disturbed and biased and will always make poor decisions >> concerning quality because of self interest, self importance and greed. Ron replies : Thanks for the clarification Wes, I'm going to read up on Deming and hopefully I can speak to you with alittle more precision . I am very interested in this subject matter. . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
