welcome Mr Blade, as much as i find McVeigh's actions reprehensible (I've
been in a situation where there were terrorist bombs going off in Manchester
UK) as a source of thought and as a sick human being he should not have been
executed. he'd been caught, tried and convicted and posed no further threat,
now every idiot with half a brain knows the amount of coverage you can get
for such an act.
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From: killer blade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 28 June 2001 12:56
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Subject: Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up
Greetings all!
I hope you don't mind me butting in here but I've just joined the list and
am eager to participate in the discussions. I have just finished reading
Lila dn I read Zena nd the the art last year. Pirsig is the world's greatest
living philosopher imnsho and he has much of relevance to say to all today's
problems.
wrt the discussion on guns it is clear that the more guns you have the more
people will get shot! Hey I ddon't have to be a genius to figure that out.
The key to understanding this is: TO KILL A PERSON IS TO DESTROY A SOURCE OF
THOUGHT. Now I don't support the actions of the likes of Timonty McVeigh but
it is clear that he should not have been executed, because he was a SOURCE
OF THOUGHT.
For society to grow and prosper we must heed PIrsig's ideas and evolve
beyond archaic ideas of revenge as a means of justice
KB
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---- Greetings Glen, You wrote: > Define "more likely". Vermont and Alaska
both have damn near zero gun laws > and very little crime, nothing on the
scale of California. Have you spent > much time around firearms to where you
can honestly make this claim? I have > and it seems pretty foundless. My
point is that where the underlying causes of aggression are similar, if
firearms are not widely available, less people will be shot. (Compare the
murder rates of inner city London with inner city Washington DC). That
doesn't seem an outrageous claim. > Sam wrote: > > To look at it purely in
MoQ terms for a moment this diminishes the > resources available > > for the
intellectual level and is therefore a low quality environment, it > is one
in > > which the potential to move to higher levels and experience DQ etc is
> diminished. > > You've lost me. Are you equating maximizing resources for
the experience of > dynamic quality as the goal of existence? Where does it
say that in Lila? > Elizaphanian you preach and I'll turn the pages!
"Whenever you kill a human being you are killing a source of thought too. A
human being is a collection of ideas, and these ideas take moral precedence
over a society. Ideas are patterns of value. They are at a higher level of
evolution than social patterns of value......That was the real moral lesson
of the brujo in Zuni. If those priests had killed him they would have done
great harm to their society's ability to grow and change." (Lila, ch 13) Sam
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