Quoting Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Models are very helpful in the prediction of patterns and are vital to
> the design process but, working in the design field, I
> Find that no matter how well I think I have something designed in
> cyberspace and have it "working" there, there is always adjustments
> To be made when the design is fabricated. once it is "real" it takes on
> a new dynamic and usually must be revised to "work" in reality.
> I feel implying intellegent design you must remember a design is almost
> allways in process of refinement and if you kinda squint
> And turn your head, "patterns of value" just what does that mean? What
> is the force that drives betterness In the tumult of chaos?
> Platt you may want to check out Dynamism =Any of various theories or
> philosophical systems that explain the universe in terms of force or
> energy. {empiricism )-( rationalism}based on polaric unities John
> Hunter/ Mesmer/Coleridge/Goethe/Hahnemann/Reich
> And as it relates to Vitalism = The theory or doctrine that life
> processes arise from or contain a nonmaterial vital principle and cannot
> be explained entirely as physical and chemical phenomena. It presupposes
> the material and is based on a mystical belief system.
> Idealism.Aristotle/Wm Harvey/ Hans Driesch
> Sounds like what your getting at...
> [x]
Well, you've put your finger on the problem. What is energy anyway? The way
science describes it, "It can neither be created nor destroyed, put together
nor taken apart, and the the whole it is neither increasing nor decreasing,
remaining always constant. Nevertheless, it undergoes transformations or
manifestations, for all types of energy and matter, whether kinetic, thermal,
or molecular, are spoken of as 'Forms of Energy.' As a matter of fact, all
phenomena in the universe are ultimately nothing but forms of Energy, so that
Energy more or less underlies all material things. This is pure physics, but
it sounds strangely familiar, and one begins to wonder whether we are discussing
physics or Hinduism. Ultimately, it matters not one whit whether we say that
all things are forms of Energy or forms of Brahman." (Ken Wilber, "The Spectrum
of Consciousness, p. 185)
Also covered by your suggestions is the problem of purpose or Teleology. For
Pirsig though, it's not a problem. "Neither is there a quarrel between the
Metaphysics of Quality and the "teleological" theories which insist that life
has
some purpose." (Lila, 11)
So really "what "I'm getting at" is answers to questions that have baffled
mankind for many a moon. (A little Indian lingo there.) Where did the Universe
come from? How did life arise from no life? What is the origin of natural law?
How does something oblivious to the world become conscious of the world? How
does consciousness fit into a mechanistic universe? How does consciousness
emerge
from a lump of electric meat? What is cause and effect? How come some things
apparently happen for no cause at all? And on and on . . .
Of course I don't have the answers. But the avenues of inquiry I consider open
are God, Universal Consciousness, and Quality -- the latter because of the MOQ.
Even Ham's Essence should be included among the avenues, except I can't seem to
grasp the concept of "negation" which is key to his explanation.
Anyway, thanks for triggering this response which I hope clarifies "what I'm
getting at." I like to think I'm open minded to all reasonable theories, but
of course, being human I have my biases and prejudices like everyone else. But,
I'm sure like you, I try at least to keep my glasses clean.
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