Hi Ashkey You might find this interesting on the sq/language/interpreted versus dynamic/pre-linguistic experience debate:
http://davidhildebrand.org/articles/hildebrand_neopragmatist.pdf David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Akshay Peshwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Are qualities memories? > David M, > > If you think of memories as "something that is within", then yes, basic > needs are memories. Basic needs are tendencies/preferences/values, based > on > output rather than input (which is experience). Since both input and > output > are associated with memory, you can say basic needs are associated with > memory. > > Krimel, > > *How would you describe this unre-cognised aspect of experience?* > > As I said, the moment of novelty in experience is pure Dynamic Quality. > The > moment you describe it, it becomes attached to static patterns. As Pirsig > informs (rather pessimistically) that DQ is "out of our reach", and so we > have to "settle for something less pure". > > About your third question, I suppose there is a whole hierarchy of values > for an individual being. Apart from that, if you are referring to qualia, > that is a big debate. Dennett totally refused to accept qualia in his > book. > There's no real way to know, except on a hardware level of the brain. > > -- Akshay > > > On 5/13/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi Krimel >> >> Are basic needs memories? >> >> David M >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Are qualities memories? >> >> >> > [David M] >> > When we experience qualities are these a form of memory? >> > >> > [Krimel] >> > Speaking from my own experience I remembers some things and not others. >> > This >> > does not seem to be a function of quality but them I don't pay >> > attention >> > much of the time. >> > >> > [David M] >> > Why do we value experiences differently? >> > >> > [Krimel] >> > Experiences that satisfy basic needs tend to get valued the most then >> > experiences that lead to the satisfaction of basic needs. Then >> experiences >> > that are associated with the satisfaction of basic needs... >> > >> > >> > moq_discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> >> >> moq_discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
