[DM]
Do we not need to understand how patterns emerge, why they persist, why they
change, how levels emerge,etc?

[Krimel]
I suspect it has much to do with the consistency of the flow of energy into
the system along the lines of Prigogine.

[DM]
(NB Darwin's suggestions are a useful subset of what happens
across all the levels, but I object to Darwin's ideas being used
beyond self-replicating reproductive-selective processes, although
a good analogy is a good analogy )

[Krimel]
You don't think societies and ideas are "self-replicating
reproductive-selective processes?"

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