Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> So Platt, you are accepting a static social pattern the authority to
> say what is illegal. I'd agree with the pragmatism, but not the
> certainty over the legality of their authority.
> 
> That authority is a matter of social convention (not necessarily a bad
> one, in fact a damn good one) but not any kind of certainty.
> Ian

I agree with all of the above, but the issue of certainty has more to do
with that of logic and math, i.e., intellectual rather than social patterns. 

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