Responding to Platt: I'd be interested in your explanation of how the "base > doltish-mediafrenzy-cult-of- > clebrity dross" arose that we both agree is currently > afflicting the country.
Hard to say, don't really have one. Basically I blame anyone who's in their late middle age at the moment and whose held any positions of influence, participated in any poltical or commercial activity and had anything to do with educating anybody. Whatever decisions you lot made, were what they were. I can't pin it on anyone in particular, our cultral makeup sits in balance between push factors in various directions and as a result I see it that everyone and anyone who has any involvement in life is responsible for the outcome. There's an overall the cultural pattern that everyone was part of and how ever many times it's repeated always brings us to here. Each one of you can look back at your lives and describe to me what happened - that story will be your explanation. Happy days. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 July 2007 22:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality decline > > > Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Thanks Platt > > > > Balance, is fair enough, but in this balance can we not > show overall direction as > > shaped by the point at which that balance rests. The > competing agendas push the > > point of that balance towards or away from either wing and > thus steer the course > > of the evolution of that culture. Right? > > There needs to be a balance between Dynamic and static with > the emphasis on > maintaining a fulcrum of opportunity that allows for tipping > in the direction > of the Dynamic. (Hope the metaphor works.) > > > So what we have now, is relatively free but also relatively > restricted, but in > > responding to the comment that society's quality has > declined, would you not agree > > that the explosion of a vast indiscriminate and degenerate > media is a function of > > the push towards greater personal freedom and not away from > it? You can't > > honestly think this drift into base > doltish-mediafrenzy-cult-of- celebrity-dross > > has stemmed from the push factors of latent embedded > Marxism? Can you? > > Marxism had more to do with economics than free expression > although it's tendency > towards totalitarianism puts a kibosh on free speech, too. As > for celebrity, Pirsig > has a lot of interesting things to say about it, especially > its role as a force > for social cohesion. It may be with America so politically > divided that the > rise of celebrity worship is a consequence -- a means of > fostering unity. Anyway, > I'd be interested in your explanation of how the "base > doltish-mediafrenzy-cult-of- > clebrity dross" arose that we both agree is currently > afflicting the country. > > > Funny how our usage of language has us calling liberalism > something that restricts > > and conservatism something that frees? > > Surely if you're in favour of personal freedom so that > makes you a liberal right? > > Whereas if I'm for greater state regulation and order > which makes me a > > conservative? > > In today's lingo, the roles have been reversed. Conservatives > strive for greater > individual liberty; liberals call on the state to enforce > their Utopian schemes. > Conservatives want to "conserve" what the Founding Fathers > created. Liberals > want to "liberate" government from Constitutional > restrictions. They, for example, > were largely responsible for the amendment allowing the > government to tax personal > incomes. In their favor, they were instrumental in abolishing > race-based laws. > Unfortunately, they have seen fit to re-establish such laws > with "affirmative > action" programs, recently knocked down by the Supreme Court. > And today they are > making overtures about silencing talk radio, an assault on > free speech. > > Anyway, I look forward to your views on Quality decline. > > Thanks. > > Platt > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) 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