the new zealand reference was from a john wyndham
book: the chrysalids: a post-apocalyptic world in
which new zealand and parts of canada are some of the
few habitable areas remaining.

but i won't say more than that about it cos it is
worth reading.


--- ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I like that Gav, meta-ideas, ideas about ideas that
> add intellect to
> the simple (social) communication of ideas.
> 
> Qualified by the word "effectively" I think you are
> right about
> telepathy. One thing is sure, if we shared the same
> "common interests"
> there would be little opportunity for war and
> conflict.
> 
> New Zealand I had the good fortune to visit three
> times when I was
> based in Oz a couple of years ago - beautiful place.
> What are you
> suggesting ? A location for an enlightened community
> ?
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 7/3/07, gav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > the intellectual level is about ideas. ideas and
> the
> > relationships between ideas, which are a higher
> level
> > of ideas... and so on...
> >
> > until an intellectual/intuitive apprehension of
> the
> > *whole* is gained - a singular 'principle';
> unified
> > vision.
> >
> > at this point the intellect is transcended. time
> and
> > space are transcended. separation is transcended.
> the
> > sum total of all awareness is available.
> >
> > these moments, or anything approaching them, are
> rare
> > and fleeting for most of us but they will
> naturally
> > (if  encouraged) enlarge in scope and dimension,
> > eventually merging into a base awareness, upon
> which
> > the intellect will be used adroitly and therefore
> > sparingly.
> >
> > communication will become more evocative,
> complete,
> > deep, honest as the individual's awareness becomes
> > more finely tuned... effectively telepathy.
> >
> > telepathy would mean an end to war. the interests
> of
> > all become identical (as they naturally tend to)
> with
> > the interests of the one. the two are seen, felt, 
> as
> > two aspects of the same unified entity. to
> > differentiate one's own good from the good of all
> > becomes a meaningless statement. the good of you
> is
> > the good of all and vice-versa and that's that.
> >
> > new zealand anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     
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