Really pleased to hear that you are 'on the case' Andrey (UK expression
meaning 'working on/thinking about the problem', if anybody is not
familiar).

I can see that this is not an easy problem to solve but your idea about
custom lists sounds like it might work.   Need to think about it a bit more.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrey 
> Tkachuk (MLO)
> Sent: 11 January 2009 8:37 p
> To: MyLifeOrganized
> Subject: [MLO] Re: Drag and Drop in To Do list - how does this work?
> 
> 
> 
> When you drag&drop tasks on To-Do now you actually drag and 
> drop them in the Outline. The tasks in TO-DO just used as 
> "anchors" to regroup tasks in the outline. You can also drop 
> to groups and change parameters of the tasks by this. This is 
> how it works at the moment. I understand the possible 
> confusion. I might think of disabling this functionality to 
> not confuse the new users.... So it will be not possible to 
> drag&drop in To-Do in this case....
> 
> >Andrey, is there any chance that this would be possible to 
> do since you 
> >have the new architecture implemented?
> 
> Unfortunately it is very difficult to design.
> 
> First of all it is not possible to calculate new task 
> parameters after the drag operation to match new position 
> since the sort order might depend on different criteria.
> 
> If we are talking about setting custom order for the tasks in 
> To-Do we will have other problems. It actually means that 
> separated list should be created and the custom order of all 
> tasks in this list should be stored in the database. It means 
> that this list will become "fixed" automatically and it could 
> not be updated once other tasks changed, completed etc. As 
> you know the To-Do lists in MLO are automatically updated and 
> reordered. It is not possible for the same list to be 
> automatically updated one moment and custom ordered in other 
> moment. The list should be either a) automatically ordered or 
> b) custom ordered and with fixed tasks which are not removed 
> and included to the list automatically.
> 
> If there are programmers here they will understand the 
> difficulties I am talking about.
> 
> However as always there are ideas :-) What if we do introduce 
> the custom lists of tasks? User would be able to select the 
> tasks he/she want to see in one list and sort them manually. 
> The automatic reordering of this list will not be possible, 
> but user will be able to include/exclude tasks from the list 
> and order them manually.
> 
> Thinking about this for many months already...
> 
> A.
> 
> On Jan 11, 10:51 pm, metroboy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The new color-coding is great, and drag-and-drop in the To 
> Do list is 
> > a great idea.  When I first saw it, I thought it was a 
> dream come true
> > -- I have *long* wanted to be able to rearrange the small list of 
> > tasks that was due Today so that I could have a list in the order I 
> > needed it to be in.
> >
> > I have to be honest that I am completely baffled at how the current 
> > functionality is set up for the drag-and-drop.  Say, for 
> example, that 
> > I have the To do list sorted by "importance".  If I drag an item to 
> > the top of the list, I expect from a UI standpoint that it 
> will now be 
> > the most important item in the list.
> >
> > However, it turns out that I have also moved it to the top of my 
> > overall outline!  Sorry, but this makes no sense 
> whatsoever! I have an 
> > outline that contains over 400 items, and I use Due Dates 
> and Weekly 
> > Goals to winnow it down to a mangeable "Today" list...if dragging 
> > around my Today list changes my outline, it will lead, as Richard 
> > pointed out, to utter confusion in my outline.
> >
> >  I think part of this confusion stems from the way that the "sort" 
> > options are labeled on the Filter panel.  The top option reads 
> > "(none)", which implies to me that it is an unsorted list 
> -- which it 
> > isn't.  In MLO, the correct name for the "(none)" sorting option is 
> > actually "Outline View"  My suggestion (actually, my plea!) is to 
> > decouple the outline and the Todo list, or to at least offer that 
> > option.  I can see some users wanting the functionality 
> exactly like 
> > it is...and I can see others (like myself, Richard, and I'm sure
> > others) that would want to reorder the Todo list separately 
> from the 
> > Outline view.  This would free me forever from having to do 
> squirelly 
> > things to reorder the Todo list -- like endlessly fiddling with the 
> > Importance and Urgency sliders just to get the final order that I 
> > want!
> >
> > I've seen this functionality in other to-do programs, so it 
> certainly 
> > seems possible.  For example, Agenda At Once, Vitalist, and 
> > EssentialPIM all have the capability to re-order an already-sorted 
> > list by hand.  (They are also very, very inferior to MLO, 
> so I would 
> > like very much for MLO to have this capacity!)
> >
> > Andrey, is there any chance that this would be possible to do since 
> > you have the new architecture implemented?
> >
> > thanks for all the work on the new version!
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On Jan 3, 9:59 am, "Richard Collings" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > But without moving the tasks in the Outline hierarchy?  Yes?
> >
> > > The more I thought about it, the more 'wrong' this 
> seemed.    If I 
> > > am working on two or three projects (which is fairly 
> typical) what I 
> > > want to be able to do with MLO is order these tasks 
> manually in the 
> > > To Do lists without the tasks that belong to one project 
> moving to a 
> > > different project (which would result in utter confusion).
> >
> > > Richard
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected] 
> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pkelecy
> > > > Sent: 03 January 2009 2:33 p
> > > > To: MyLifeOrganized
> > > > Subject: [MLO] Re: Drag and Drop in To Do list - how does this 
> > > > work?
> >
> > > > I agree with Richard on this.  I too would like some way to 
> > > > manually order the tasks in the To-do to accommodate my 
> particular 
> > > > needs for the day.  Right now I do this in outside of 
> MLO because 
> > > > I find the Importance/Urgency slides a little too 
> awkward to use.
> >
> > > > Pat
> > 
> 


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