>I believe this is solipsism run riot... always ending up its own arse.... How about an effort at clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the qualities of the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?...
Aha, Are you asking Alan to ignore his subjective voice, mutate away into a realm of modernist invisibility. A sliding from personal and intuitive politick to a static non-fluid essence of accepted poise. His language and functions antagonise the ideals and pedagogical, crumbly mono-theisms that choke us into accepting the norm. Perhaps his voice is performance, a noise that thrives on the energy of being, this perpetual state of being is irrational, illogical and engulfed in total subjectivity. Surely total subjectivity is a form simplicity in its own right and therefore a kin to beauty, thus flouting the lies of science with impunity and simultaneously freeing the voice and mind from the bondage of unreality or our presumed realities. Formal concerns are not in any way pure, purity is imaginary, transparent and subjective, as is beauty. In a previous life, Plato believed that he had been a bush. Pythagoras saw a similarity between the substance of his brain and his own semen. As far as I a concerned, how Alan expounds his noise is his own business and creative choice. I may not always agree with the content but I do agree with the context :-) karen On 10/16/07, bob catchpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Renee, > > I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, inspirations... I was objecting to > willful obfuscation... What ideas are are evolving here?... > > "the avatartist are all space, all time, visible, invisible, transparent, > translucent, of here and there opaque, they murmur we are all avatartist, > are of saying nothing, whispering nothing, murmuring nothing, all in the > true world. the avatartist are writing this, us, them, there, here, now, > then, they are writing this-us-them-there-here-now-then, they are writing > and writing, they are writing nothing...." > > I believe this is solipsism run riot... always ending up its own arse.... > How about an effort at clarity, simplicity and beauty?... the qualities of > the best ideas in art, science, philosophy etc?... > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Renee Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > [email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2007 8:33:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] no > > Hi Alan, > > I also appreciate your posts and watching your ideas evolve. So, as > far as I'm concerned, keep them coming. > > One of the things I like about this list is that people can present > things in process. To me, it's the very spirit of netbehaviour :-) > > best, > > Renee > www.geuzen.org > On 15 Oct 2007, at 15:55, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > > > > > > no it's not bullshit; I'm working through ontologies and > > epistemologies of > > avatars/the virtual, using both formal topology and Buddhist > > philosophy, > > specifically several works by Nagarjuna as well as the > > Hevajratantra and > > Visuddhimaggha. Terms like the true world reference emptiness and the > > absence of worlding, 'gathering' references aggregrates, and filtering > > comes from things I've written before on inscription. Since you've > > called > > it bullshit, I really don't want to engage in a debate about its > > merits > > and if Marc wants I'll desist here, but from my end (and for that > > matter > > the reading of other people I respect) I'm on to something and want to > > follow it through; certainly it's relevant literally to netbehaviour. > > > > - Alan > > > > ====================================================================== > > = > > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel > > 718-813-3285. > > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, > > performance, > > dvds, etc. > > ============================================================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > ------------------------------ > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For > Good<http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html>this month. > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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