Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging responses.
I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and when I do a
sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick Maynard's argument
which seems to be that drawing and photography are essentially both just
processes of mark making....
I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn actually - I'm
deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one correspondence to reality -
blather about photos. It was pretty much never the defining feature ( ask Joe
Stalin) and it certainly isn't now.
Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a "mechanism" of some
kind for creating a kind of map of at least some parts of reality than I am
when I photograph (or remix photos which is something I've been doing a lot).
I'm with Baldessari who scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and
quoting from memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference
between painting and photographs...
Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful feedback is one
of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
warm wishes
michael
OK -just found it:
John Baldessari :“A photograph and a painting are essentially the same thing.
One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down on canvas, while the
other is silver nitrate deposits put down on paper. There is very little
difference between the two.”
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From: Perry Bard <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing. WJT
Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential difference- the
referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a unicorn but not photograph one
(irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that a camera is an object- you point and
record, even if you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a
specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in consciousness.
Perry
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams <[email protected]> wrote:
I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you chose,
frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is very "sophisticated".
>I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from your
>photos? Why do you want to do it?
>Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to grasp
>something in a world too full of information?
>For me your drawings are full of time and
>they are brave
>I love to see them.
>Annie
>
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>>> thank-you Joel...
>>> I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty obsessed
>>> at the moment...
>>> I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
>>> warm wishes
>>> michael
>>
>>You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
>>enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire what
>>you are doing here. Do keep doing!
>>
>>- Rob.
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>http://www.documentary-art.net/tag/watch-now.php?&ref=344
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