In the taking of a photograph, time is condensed into a moment or two. While in
making a drawing, time is spread out.
Of course, if one works with photographs, such as in a darkroom, or with
Photoshop, the difference is just a matter of technique.
Also, I was going to say that we "take" a photograph; and thus, unlike a
drawing, it's a process of appropriation. However, in drawing a portrait, for
example, the feeling is, even more than with a photograph, of "stealing a soul."
Comparison is always a matter of which points you choose to compare.
-Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Szpakowski
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging responses.
I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and when I do a
sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick Maynard's argument
which seems to be that drawing and photography are essentially both just
processes of mark making....
I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn actually - I'm
deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one correspondence to reality -
blather about photos. It was pretty much never the defining feature ( ask Joe
Stalin) and it certainly isn't now.
Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a "mechanism" of
some kind for creating a kind of map of at least some parts of reality than I
am when I photograph (or remix photos which is something I've been doing a
lot). I'm with Baldessari who scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course
and quoting from memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much
difference between painting and photographs...
Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful feedback is one
of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
warm wishes
michael
OK -just found it:
John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the same
thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down on canvas, while
the other is silver nitrate deposits put down on paper. There is very little
difference between the two.�
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Perry Bard <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing. WJT
Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential difference- the
referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a unicorn but not photograph one
(irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that a camera is an object- you point and
record, even if you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a
specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in consciousness.
Perry
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams <[email protected]> wrote:
I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you chose,
frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is very "sophisticated".
I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from your
photos? Why do you want to do it?
Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to grasp
something in a world too full of information?
For me your drawings are full of time and
they are brave
I love to see them.
Annie
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> thank-you Joel...
> I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty obsessed
> at the moment...
> I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
> warm wishes
> michael
You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire what
you are doing here. Do keep doing!
- Rob.
_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
--
Extrait en photo et son de la performance HUIS-CLOS / NO EXIT Training for
a Better World
http://www.documentary-art.net/tag/watch-now.php?&ref=344
Plus de photos :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bramorg/sets/72157628514083331/
"Die Ewigkeit/ L'éternité", Antye GREIE / Annie ABRAHAMS - DUET - SATZ 4
- Rêves / Utopia / Dreams http://vimeo.com/33907750
http://www.bram.org
_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
--
www.perrybard.net
http://dziga.perrybard.net
_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
