Very very interesting that this has been commented on so much.
I suspect the reason is that this is a web based forum with
contributers who have some stake in new media ie freakin boring
computers (I say this as a one time street artist and latecomer to
computers) and so when somebody picks up a paint brush it's like woo
hoo how exotic.
Personally I still find the idea of programming a computer incredibly
boring - however I give you guys some slack and say cool if you want
to make code into poetry. To me a machine is merely an end to a
means, in this case artistic expression.
Lets all paint paint paint - make a big bonfire of cameras - they
were always a con ;)
Simon
On 15 Jan 2012, at 16:27, bob catchpole wrote:
Michael,
I disagree with John Baldessari. Painting and photography are
radically different picture-making processes - one is based on
synthesis and the other on selection. In a painting or drawing you
start with nothing and have to add. In photography you start with
everything and have to extract.
Your drawing are strong because they capture something about you.
Bob
From: Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 15:11
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging
responses.
I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and
when I do a sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick
Maynard's argument which seems to be that drawing and photography
are essentially both just processes of mark making....
I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn
actually - I'm deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one
correspondence to reality - blather about photos. It was pretty
much never the defining feature ( ask Joe Stalin) and it certainly
isn't now.
Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a
"mechanism" of some kind for creating a kind of map of at least
some parts of reality than I am when I photograph (or remix photos
which is something I've been doing a lot). I'm with Baldessari who
scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and quoting from
memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference
between painting and photographs...
Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful
feedback is one of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
warm wishes
michael
OK -just found it:
John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the
same thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down
on canvas, while the other is silver nitrate deposits put down on
paper. There is very little difference between the two.”
From: Perry Bard <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing.
WJT Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential
difference- the referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a
unicorn but not photograph one (irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that
a camera is an object- you point and record, even if you make a
mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a specific moment
in time whereas a drawing records a moment in consciousness.
Perry
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams
<[email protected]> wrote:
I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you
chose, frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is
very "sophisticated".
I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from
your photos? Why do you want to do it?
Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to
grasp something in a world too full of information?
For me your drawings are full of time and
they are brave
I love to see them.
Annie
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> thank-you Joel...
> I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty
obsessed
> at the moment...
> I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
> warm wishes
> michael
You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire
what
you are doing here. Do keep doing!
- Rob.
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