That's it Michael, I like and crave the physical engagement that
comes with drawing, painting, music and film making.
Artists can use any medium, of course they are all valid - I would
never ever beat people with sticks of their mediums [sic] (unless
they were chalk - Mark, Heath take note)
When I make a super 8 film I like the work to be projected in its
final form - because it's made of light partly, and because of the
physicality of film - its more fun, for me, than sitting in front of
my laptop. I like to practice spinning when I am happy and in the
moment, usually not when I'm on the laptop alone, but out and about
with other artists and people. (In fact I challenged Heath Bunting to
a hand walking contest recently - but he chickened out)
Ha ha
Si
Your drawings look a bit like storyboards at times (your editing
background maybe)
On 15 Jan 2012, at 17:55, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
OH - I'd be very unhappy to have even lent anyone a stick to beat
anyone else's way of making work.
For me it's the increasing convergence of the most ancient and the
most modern ways of doing things that is fascinating. I can't
imagine stopping taking photographs or making movies or writing
music but I also crave lots more of that physical engagement that
comes with the drawing.
This year I have had a show where my piece used javascript, html
and lingo to make something generative;
I've done lots of stuff arising out of the idea of remixing, I've
taken a shitload of photos and I've...drawn. All of them were great
to do & I can't belive that they didn't have some impact on each
other.
The only thing I am sceptical about is when people say "ought" ...
The fact that I present my drawings to you, not as drawings but as
digital images of drawings a on a web 2.0 application has too, I
think, some significance...
I have to say though that, personally, I still feel that what goes
on in my head when I photograph and when I draw is very closely
related (and I think this is because I only came to feeling I had
the confidence to *photograph* well after the digital was standard
and I've never made a photo that I didn't work over in some way,
even if it was just getting it from RAW to jpeg, it's just natural
for me to think that a photographic image is both performative, a
selction but also compositional). Likewise there's something
performative and snapshot like about some of the drawings which
were done trying to capture someone moving fast across my field of
vision (some done from the passenger seat :) of a car) & I can't
help feeling my years of working with *frames* of video has some
relevance here in the places in the drawings where I've almost
stacked up, superimposed, different positions of the subject..
I'm delgihted that netbehaviour can embrace a whole number of
different practices and approaches & that we're able to have
discussion like this...
warm wishes
michael
From: Joel Weishaus <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Simon;
I've found taking photographs rewarding because the camera seems to
have a mind of its own. Even a digital camera is still a "magic
lantern."
As for writing code, I personally agree with you. The computer to
me is a tool; although, to paraphrase the poet Gary Snyder, "Tools.
Now there's a subject!"
-Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Mclennan
To: bob catchpole ; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Very very interesting that this has been commented on so much.
I suspect the reason is that this is a web based forum with
contributers who have some stake in new media ie freakin boring
computers (I say this as a one time street artist and latecomer to
computers) and so when somebody picks up a paint brush it's like
woo hoo how exotic.
Personally I still find the idea of programming a computer
incredibly boring - however I give you guys some slack and say cool
if you want to make code into poetry. To me a machine is merely an
end to a means, in this case artistic expression.
Lets all paint paint paint - make a big bonfire of cameras - they
were always a con ;)
Simon
On 15 Jan 2012, at 16:27, bob catchpole wrote:
Michael,
I disagree with John Baldessari. Painting and photography are
radically different picture-making processes - one is based on
synthesis and the other on selection. In a painting or drawing you
start with nothing and have to add. In photography you start with
everything and have to extract.
Your drawing are strong because they capture something about you.
Bob
From: Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 15:11
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging
responses.
I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and
when I do a sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by
Patrick Maynard's argument which seems to be that drawing and
photography are essentially both just processes of mark making....
I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn
actually - I'm deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one
correspondence to reality - blather about photos. It was pretty
much never the defining feature ( ask Joe Stalin) and it certainly
isn't now.
Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a
"mechanism" of some kind for creating a kind of map of at least
some parts of reality than I am when I photograph (or remix photos
which is something I've been doing a lot). I'm with Baldessari who
scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and quoting from
memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference
between painting and photographs...
Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful
feedback is one of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
warm wishes
michael
OK -just found it:
John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the
same thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put
down on canvas, while the other is silver nitrate deposits put
down on paper. There is very little difference between the two.”
From: Perry Bard <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better
Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and
drawing. WJT Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an
essential difference- the referent adheres in a photo- you can
paint a unicorn but not photograph one (irrefutable, no?). Nick
argued that a camera is an object- you point and record, even if
you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a
specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in
consciousness.
Perry
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams
<[email protected]> wrote:
I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way
you chose, frame and compose the image, the way you look at things
is very "sophisticated".
I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different
from your photos? Why do you want to do it?
Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to
grasp something in a world too full of information?
For me your drawings are full of time and
they are brave
I love to see them.
Annie
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> thank-you Joel...
> I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty
obsessed
> at the moment...
> I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
> warm wishes
> michael
You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really
admire what
you are doing here. Do keep doing!
- Rob.
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