Indeed , indeed drawing and taking a photo can both be mechanical are in the end indeed both material on a surface but they are strongly different as far as corporeal influences on the resulting object
When you draw a lot it becomes almost automatic, which means you have time to linger, while continuously alternating attention between what you see in front of you and what you see in your drawing, you can allow other thoughts to interfere. These thoughts will alter body tensions and so alter your drawing. On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Joel Weishaus <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > *In the taking of a photograph, time is condensed into a moment or two. > While in making a drawing, time is spread out. > Of course, if one works with photographs, such as in a darkroom, or with > Photoshop, the difference is just a matter of technique. > Also, I was going to say that we "take" a photograph; and thus, unlike a > drawing, it's a process of appropriation. However, in drawing a portrait, > for example, the feeling is, even more than with a photograph, > of "stealing a soul." > Comparison is always a matter of which points you choose to compare. * > ** > *-Joel* > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> > *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity<[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better > > Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging responses. > I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and when I > do a sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick Maynard's > argument which seems to be that drawing and photography are essentially > both just processes of mark making.... > I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn actually - > I'm deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one correspondence to > reality - blather about photos. It was pretty much never the defining > feature ( ask Joe Stalin) and it certainly isn't now. > Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a "mechanism" of > some kind for creating a kind of map of at least some parts of reality than > I am when I photograph (or remix photos which is something I've been doing > a lot). I'm with Baldessari who scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of > course and quoting from memory here) and said he couldn't really see that > much difference between painting and photographs... > Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful feedback is > one of the reasons I love netbehaviour :) > warm wishes > michael > > OK -just found it: > John Baldessari *: **“A photograph and a painting are essentially the > same thing. One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down on > canvas, while the other is silver nitrate deposits put down on paper. There > is very little difference between the two.†** * > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Perry Bard <[email protected]> > *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better > > > Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very > conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing. WJT > Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential difference- the > referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a unicorn but not photograph one > (irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that a camera is an object- you point and > record, even if you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record > a specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in > consciousness. > Perry > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams <[email protected]>wrote: > > I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you chose, > frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is very > "sophisticated". > I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from your > photos? Why do you want to do it? > Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to grasp > something in a world too full of information? > For me your drawings are full of time and > they are brave > I love to see them. > Annie > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote: > > thank-you Joel... > > I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty obsessed > > at the moment... > > I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing. > > warm wishes > > michael > > You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an > enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire what > you are doing here. Do keep doing! > > - Rob. > >
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