it's also science that deals with the horror, albeit differently - the
studies done of desertification for example in the mid-east.
science knows more than scientifically in the same way that art knows more
than artistically, etc. - for me, the reason I'm interested in cosmology
and particle physics, it gives me an idea where we've come from, what's
out there, what we're made of, etc. and it extends my knowledge beyond
what's given to us as human perception.
certainly it knows (not science, which knows nothing, but scientists) are
motivated by the vastness of the world...
and science as much as any other field deals with what horrifies and
debilitates, think of ebola for example...
Alan (who secretly likes situationism, but not its reification)
On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:
I won't pick an argument with you about Situationism: )
but i must defend the symbolic precision of the pie chart!
not because science isn't a good way of knowing things
but because science only knows how to know things scientifically.
and it cannot (because of its nature) know the vastness and multi-faceted
worlds of reality to which it cannot even begin to apply its knowledge
acquisition tools.
For this reason I also think it is a particularly good joke!
I paired it with the Situationism quote because it encourages an attitude of
curiosity towards things that otherwise horrify and terrify... (and therefore
debilitate)
On 06/09/15 15:36, Alan Sondheim wrote:
Yes, but I'd reverse the chart labels!
- Alan (always suspicious of situationism) (not looking for another
argument) (just got up)
On Sun, 6 Sep 2015, ruth catlow wrote:
Above: (left) /Scientific Diagramme/ (right) /Drawing of a quote from The
Joy of Revolution by Ken Knabb//
/
Please accept my contribution to the conversation (above).
Very appreciative of the efforts by all here to make sense and meaning.
Thank you.
Ruth
On 06/09/15 07:29, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote:
thanks for sharing your thoughts? on all ends, i just want to say, it
means something
in regards to syria, i read this this morning and it helped a bit to
understand (cause also Putin is playing)
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts
like all conflicts these days they have so many layers and the complexity
and depth,
like Ukraine for instance, which is ongoing and severe too
people also leaving the country constantly?
etc
blaming could be also called history writing/ rewriting understanding
and its is super important and all crisis are US crises too, cause they
been playing hard!
but solutions --->
The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed
and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war
based on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common
sense.
true!
keep spreading
i just re-read the entire "vietnam war' wikipedia entry yesterday cause
suddenly i couldnt remember WHY there was a war
i wanted to explain my daughter
?
insane
sorry, fragmented comments
On Sep 5, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Ana Vald?s <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Alan you have been in the Middle East as I has been. Israel
receives per year billions of American support both military and
economic. Without the American support Israel could not manage the
fences in the West Bank and in Gaza.
They cost millions to keep. The new fence, separating the town of
Bethlem in two, is cutting the Catholic monastery of Cremisan, which
vineyards has been the only working place for hundreds of Palestinian
families, in two. The Palestinian are not going any longer to access the
vineyards.
The US was the heir of the colonial European and was the kingmaker of
the region for years. The Marines derrocated the Iranian first minister
In 1954 because he wanted to nationalise the oil and manage the wells
without the American oil companies. It's not me "blaming the US" without
historical facts. The same facts Eisenhower stated when he said "we are
the hostages of the military industrial establishment".
My point is: who toppled Saddam and Ghadaffi and who has been supporting
Assad all these years? The US economical and geopolitical strategies has
created the refugees which are fleeing today the region and they are
seen by politicians, weapon dealers, war mongers and bankers as
"collateral damage".
That's my point why we are not seen in these days the same rallies to
support the refugees we are seen in Europe?
You say "US is giving more than many other countries". But that's the
most bizarre paradox: The US is taking with a hand and giving with the
other hand.
The enormous profits which Halliburton and Cheney won should be taxed
and paid to the refugees they created with the obscene Iraq war, a war
based on lies and at flagrant crime against international law and common
sense.
Ana
Skickat fr?n min iPhone
4 sep 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Alan Sondheim <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
But the refugees ARE a European problem, and France was in the mid-east
as well, England had its empire, Belgium its Leopold. You keep going
after blame after blame after blame. Why not ask why the US is doing
little? Apparently it's giving a lot more aid than other countries
(think that was in the Guardian, I might be able to track the source
down) combined. And Europe would not be taking refugees in, were they
not coming across "its" borders. That's not the case here; what is the
case is the horrific xenophobia which is placing the U.S. under
lockdown. I see lots of calls for humanitarian support and aid, very
little for bringing refugees over - I'm also not sure how that would be
done, where they would come from - and this in the case of brutal
opposition to the 11 million (apparently) undocumented workers/migrants
here from central and south America - which is obviously far more than
the total migrants to date in Europe. I'd like to see ALL refugees
everywhere legalized; I can't do anything re: Europe, but we voice our
opposition here to the Republican party and its proto- fascistic take
on the world. That's pretty much all I can say about it.
- Alan
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:
We see in the whole European world ppl gathering in supporting the
refugees
biking to Calais from London with tents food and medicines in
Stockholm
where I lived for almost my whole adult life thousands of families are
offering to open their houses to refugees.
And I am talking about a country with a xenophobe party with almost
one
million voters.
Alan and the Americans in this list what are the US doing? I don't
mean the
government but the ppl where are the rallies to help the refugees from
the
Middle East, a region in turmoil since the wars started by the US and
their
geopolitical strategies?
The refugees can't be an European problem.
Ana
El sep 4, 2015 2:39 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> escribi?:
Germany is set to take in 800,000 refugees by the end of the
year.
America, a country that won two World Wars, went to the moon,
and did "the other things," has taken in, well, far fewer.
Quoth the Guardian:
The US has admitted approximately 1,500 Syrian refugees
since the beginning of the civil war there in 2011, mostly
within the last fiscal year. Since April, the number of admitted
refugees has more than doubled from an estimate of 700.
...
Anna Greene, IRCs director of policy & advocacy for US
programs, said the 1,500 people the US has admitted thus far
doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of what is needed and
what could really make a difference.
Oxfam wants the US to up that number to 70,000 by the end of
2016.
Correction: This post and its headline originally said that
Germany planned to take in 800,000 Syrian refugees by the end of
the year. That is incorrect. It is 800,000 refugees total.
- Alan
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