To help me I printed out the schematic on the plotter at 36"x44" ;)
[image: Schematics] <http://munz.kicks-ass.net/nighthawk/?p=82> -Kyle On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Creative Residential Designs < [email protected]> wrote: > Hint: To trace a wire I used colored pencils. HotrodMamma > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kyle Munz <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:00 PM > *Subject:* [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem > > Here's the wiring diagram Dennis scanned for me a while back (see > attached). You're looking at the "changing indicator" and "Changing switch". > I'd start with the switch first myself. > > -Kyle > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I wondered if anyone would notice Dennis. It's an '86. When I bought it, >> the tank had been replaced with an '85. I had the side covers and tail >> piece painted and decided to go with 85 decals for two reasons. The ones on >> the tank were good and I prefer the 85 cosmetics over the '86. Now I'm ready >> to fix the N/gear indicator light problem (always staying on N). Where do I >> start? Graham >> >> On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >> >> It's an interesting bike. What year is it supposed to be ? The >> cosmetics are '85, the wheels are '86. The motor might have been painted ? >> but they look like '86 too. '84 and '85 have polished rims and cylinder fins >> and head cover. '86 is all black. >> >> --- On *Sun, 3/15/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 5:07 AM >> >> I don't know. There was red lettering on the ends, they were peeling so I >> took them off. Could they have been FZ, F something I think? >> On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >> >> Pretty motorcycle. Very handsome. What make slip-ons ? >> >> --- On *Sat, 3/14/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 8:07 PM >> >> Here's the Nighthawk in question - I've solved the choke problem (it was >> in the carbs dummy). Thanks to Dennis. Now I have a sticking front caliper >> and the N light always on. At least now it starts at the touch of the >> button, kiwi >> <#1> >> On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Kyle Munz wrote: >> >> I can remember fighting this same problem on my dirtbike as a kid. After >> finding the solution I bought a sticker for the bike that read "Turn the gas >> on dummy!". Not to say you're a dummy, but the problem does sound like a >> lack of fuel somewhere along the line. >> >> -Kyle >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I cranked the motor over - it tried to start, at least on one or two >>> cyl. Then I checked the plugs. They were dry on the tips and porcelain but >>> a little wet on the rim of the plug. It didn't smell like gas however. I >>> then tried to start the bike with my hand restricting the air flow at the >>> air filter. It did start but died when I moved my 'hand choke' I probably >>> could have gotten it started that way. So, it looks like the choke isn't >>> working eh? Now what? Graham >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >>> >>> Spraying it optimizes the conditions needed for starting. Which... >>> means the chokes aren't working. If it has a strong vacuum when cranking if >>> you hold your hand over any carb throat, the chokes aren't passing any fuel. >>> WHY ? The "gas chokes" are very simple valve devices. If they have access to >>> fuel from the float chamber and they are open to the bores when activated, >>> all should work. With the throttle plates closed, the high vacuum (or , more >>> properly, low pressure) should draw fuel up through the choke circuits and >>> into the motor. It's as simple as a faucet. I don't want to get into any >>> abstract at this point. Are the plugs getting wet when you crank the motor >>> with the chioke operated ? Knowing that is a must before proceding. If they >>> are, we look elsewhere. If not, we stay in the carbs. >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 2/24/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:05 AM >>> >>> Tried starting the bike this morning and there doesn't seem to be any >>> improvement. It would 'bubble' along like it was trying to catch (it acted >>> like a weak spark) but again it took starting fluid and the choke seemed not >>> to play apart. Once it had 'caught', restricting the air flow through the >>> air filter with my hand significantly increased the rpms. Maybe I should >>> also check the state of the battery huh? Incidently I noticed the fuel >>> gauge didn't work until I revved the engine significantly and held the revs. >>> That was a new one to me, Graham >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >>> >>> Let us know how that works out. The neutral wiring is grounded and >>> that's why it always shows N / green light. Let's get into that later. You >>> have multiple issues. One at a time. >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 2/23/09, kiwi <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> From: kiwi <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 1:16 PM >>> >>> Blasted those tiny holes that allow the gas through when using the >>> choke with compressed air and >>> spent 2 hours reinstalling the carbs. It >>> still took starting fluid to get the bike started BUT, not very much >>> >>> and the choke worked a little. I'll see how it >>> starts >>> tomorrow when >>> it is back to winter temperature. >>> >>> Second problem with this NH is the neutral/gear indicator. It reads N >>> all the time and won't show what gear the bike is in. I found a little >>> >>> black box under the tail section that I think is part of the >>> N/gear >>> >>> indicator system. Is there a way to check it? >>> Third problem should be simple. The left front turn signal is >>> 'bright' when ignition is on but will not blink when it should. The >>> >>> others work as they should. That left one shines a lot brighter than >>> >>> the right front when ignition is on. >>> >>> On Feb 22, 11:11 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > I will assume your carb clean was a complete operation. Let's examine >>> >>> how the choke works. The cable opens valves that will >>> permit raw fuel to be >>> sucked into the motor during cranking. Now, >>> lets say that works fine.Your plugs >>> should be wet after cranking for a short while. Y-N ? The most common >>> cause of >>> the plugs being dry after cranking is the throttle plates being open too >>> far and >>> >>> causing insufficient vacuum. Same as opening the throttle while trying >>> >>> to start. >>> When the intake air flow is too low, no fuel will be drawn in from the choke >>> circuit. If the plugs are wet, you're flooding the motor. >>> >>> > We start here. Additional checks of compression and a leak-down may be in >>> >>> order. >>> > This may take time to resolve. Get at it. >>> > >>> > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>> >>> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Nighthawk S starting problem >>> > To: [email protected] >>> >>> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:18 PM >>> >>> > >>> > I have a 1986 Nighthawk S. It ran before I got it but always took >>> > starter fluid in the air filter >>> to get it going. I pulled the carbs >>> > and >>> >>> thoroughly cleaned them and used to compressed air in all the >>> >>> > holes. However the bike still will not start without stater fluid >>> > and even then it takes along time with the fluid. I noticed that >>> >>> > using the choke seemed to make no difference at all so, thinking that >>> >>> > perhaps the choke isn't working at all I removed the carbs again >>> > (they are terrible to remove) and did what I could toi ensure the >>> >>> > choke was working right. The mechanism moves as it should and I used >>> >>> > compressed >>> air in the holes to the where I >>> presume the choke opens. >>> > Now, before I reinstall the carbs, any suggestions? Could the >>> > problem have been the choke or is there something else that would >>> > cause the same problem. By the way, once the >>> >>> bike was warmed up, it >>> >>> > ran fine - just when it's cold I have to use >>> starting fluid, Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
