I wondered if anyone would notice Dennis.  It's an '86.  When I  
bought it, the tank had been replaced with an '85.  I had the side  
covers and tail piece painted and decided to go with 85 decals for  
two reasons.  The ones on the tank were good and I prefer the 85  
cosmetics over the '86. Now I'm ready to fix the N/gear indicator  
light problem (always staying on N).  Where do I start? Graham

On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote:

> It's an interesting bike. What year is it supposed to be ? The  
> cosmetics are '85, the wheels are '86. The motor might have been  
> painted ? but they look like '86 too. '84 and '85 have polished  
> rims and cylinder fins and head cover. '86 is all black.
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 5:07 AM
>
> I don't know. There was red lettering on the ends, they were  
> peeling so I took them off.  Could they have been FZ, F something I  
> think?
>
> On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote:
>
>> Pretty motorcycle. Very handsome. What make slip-ons ?
>>
>> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 8:07 PM
>>
>> Here's the Nighthawk in question - I've solved the choke problem  
>> (it was in the carbs dummy).  Thanks to Dennis.  Now I have a  
>> sticking front caliper and the N light always on.  At least now it  
>> starts at the touch of the button, kiwi
>>
>> <#1>
>> On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Kyle Munz wrote:
>>
>>> I can remember fighting this same problem on my dirtbike as a  
>>> kid. After finding the solution I bought a sticker for the bike  
>>> that read "Turn the gas on dummy!". Not to say you're a dummy,  
>>> but the problem does sound like a lack of fuel somewhere along  
>>> the line.
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>  
>>> wrote:
>>> I cranked  the motor over - it tried to start, at least on one or  
>>> two cyl. Then I checked the plugs.  They were dry on the tips and  
>>> porcelain but a little wet on the rim of the plug.  It didn't  
>>> smell like gas however.  I then tried to start the bike with my  
>>> hand restricting the air flow at the air filter.  It did start  
>>> but died when I moved my 'hand choke' I probably could have  
>>> gotten it started that way.  So, it looks like the choke isn't  
>>> working eh?  Now what?
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Spraying it optimizes the conditions needed for starting.  
>>>> Which... means the chokes aren't working. If it has a strong  
>>>> vacuum when cranking if you hold your hand over any carb throat,  
>>>> the chokes aren't passing any fuel. WHY ? The "gas chokes" are  
>>>> very simple valve devices. If they have access to fuel from the  
>>>> float chamber and they are open to the bores when activated, all  
>>>> should work. With the throttle plates closed, the high vacuum  
>>>> (or , more properly, low pressure) should draw fuel up through  
>>>> the choke circuits and into the motor. It's as simple as a  
>>>> faucet. I don't want to get into any abstract at this point. Are  
>>>> the plugs getting wet when you crank the motor with the chioke  
>>>> operated ? Knowing that is a must before proceding. If they are,  
>>>> we look elsewhere. If not, we stay in the carbs.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:05 AM
>>>>
>>>> Tried starting the bike this morning and there doesn't seem to  
>>>> be any improvement.  It would 'bubble' along like it was trying  
>>>> to catch (it acted like a weak spark) but again it took starting  
>>>> fluid and the choke seemed not to play apart.  Once it had  
>>>> 'caught', restricting the air flow through the air filter with  
>>>> my hand significantly increased the rpms.  Maybe I should also  
>>>> check the state of the battery huh?
>>>> Incidently I noticed the fuel gauge didn't work until I revved  
>>>> the engine significantly and held the revs. That was a new one  
>>>> to me,  Graham
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let us know how that works out. The neutral wiring is grounded  
>>>>> and that's why it always shows N / green light. Let's get into  
>>>>> that later. You have multiple issues. One at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, kiwi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> From: kiwi <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem
>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"  
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 1:16 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Blasted those tiny holes that allow the gas through when using the
>>>>> choke with compressed air and
>>>>>  spent 2 hours reinstalling the carbs. It
>>>>> still took starting fluid to get the bike started BUT, not very  
>>>>> much
>>>>> and the choke worked a little.  I'll see how it
>>>>>  starts
>>>>>  tomorrow when
>>>>> it is back to winter temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second problem with this NH is the neutral/gear indicator.  It  
>>>>> reads N
>>>>> all the time and won't show what gear the bike is in. I found a  
>>>>> little
>>>>> black box under the tail section that I think is part of the
>>>>>  N/gear
>>>>>
>>>>> indicator system.  Is there a way to check it?
>>>>> Third problem should be simple.  The left front turn signal is
>>>>> 'bright' when ignition is on but will not blink when  it  
>>>>> should.  The
>>>>> others work as they should.  That left one shines a lot  
>>>>> brighter than
>>>>>
>>>>> the right front when ignition is on.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 11:11 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> > I will assume your carb clean was a complete operation. Let's  
>>>>> examine
>>>>>
>>>>> how the choke works. The cable opens valves that will
>>>>>  permit raw fuel to be
>>>>> sucked into the motor during cranking. Now,
>>>>>  lets say that works fine.Your plugs
>>>>> should be wet after cranking for a short while. Y-N ? The most  
>>>>> common
>>>>>  cause of
>>>>> the plugs being dry after cranking is the throttle plates being  
>>>>> open too far and
>>>>>
>>>>> causing insufficient vacuum. Same as opening the throttle while  
>>>>> trying
>>>>>  to start.
>>>>> When the intake air flow is too low, no fuel will be drawn in  
>>>>> from the choke
>>>>> circuit. If the plugs are wet, you're flooding the motor.
>>>>>
>>>>> > We start here. Additional checks of compression and a leak- 
>>>>> down may be in
>>>>> order.
>>>>> > This may take time to resolve. Get at it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]>
>>>>> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Nighthawk S starting problem
>>>>> > To: [email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:18 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have a 1986 Nighthawk S.  It ran before I got it but always  
>>>>> took
>>>>> > starter fluid in the air filter
>>>>>  to get it going.  I pulled the carbs
>>>>> > and
>>>>>
>>>>>  thoroughly cleaned them and used to compressed air in all the
>>>>> > holes.  However the bike still will not start without stater  
>>>>> fluid
>>>>> > and even then it takes along time with the fluid.  I noticed  
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> > using the choke seemed to make no difference at all so,  
>>>>> thinking that
>>>>> > perhaps the choke isn't working at all I removed the carbs again
>>>>> > (they are terrible to remove) and did what I could toi ensure  
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> > choke was working right.  The mechanism moves as it should  
>>>>> and I used
>>>>> > compressed
>>>>>  air in the holes to the where I
>>>>>  presume the choke opens.
>>>>> > Now, before I reinstall the carbs, any suggestions?  Could the
>>>>> > problem have been the choke or is there something else that  
>>>>> would
>>>>> > cause the same problem.  By the way, once the
>>>>>  bike was warmed up, it
>>>>>
>>>>> > ran fine - just when it's cold I have to use
>>>>>  starting fluid,  Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
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