Interesting. What about a N indicator light that pops on when the clutch is pulled in OR when it's in Neutral?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > Disconnect the wiring from the switch on the engine. Now what does it say ? > If it still says N, there is a short to ground somewhere above the switch. > When the indivual circuits are grounded, they indicate. The display should > be off without any wires connected to the switch. I'm betting on a misplaced > wire. Some fools think that black wires and green ones are all grounds. > uhun... black is 12V(switched) , green is ground. Household wiring does not > apply. > I have two '86 700's ... I like the RWB models. Bought it new. The other is > a BR one. my first 700 was an '84 in BR. > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:51 AM > > I wondered if anyone would notice Dennis. It's an '86. When I bought it, > the tank had been replaced with an '85. I had the side covers and tail > piece painted and decided to go with 85 decals for two reasons. The ones on > the tank were good and I prefer the 85 cosmetics over the '86. Now I'm ready > to fix the N/gear indicator light problem (always staying on N). Where do I > start? Graham > On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: > > It's an interesting bike. What year is it supposed to be ? The cosmetics are > '85, the wheels are '86. The motor might have been painted ? but they look > like '86 too. '84 and '85 have polished rims and cylinder fins and head > cover. '86 is all black. > > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 5:07 AM > > I don't know. There was red lettering on the ends, they were peeling so I > took them off. Could they have been FZ, F something I think? > On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: > > Pretty motorcycle. Very handsome. What make slip-ons ? > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 8:07 PM > > Here's the Nighthawk in question - I've solved the choke problem (it was in > the carbs dummy). Thanks to Dennis. Now I have a sticking front caliper > and the N light always on. At least now it starts at the touch of the > button, kiwi > <#1> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Kyle Munz wrote: > > I can remember fighting this same problem on my dirtbike as a kid. After > finding the solution I bought a sticker for the bike that read "Turn the gas > on dummy!". Not to say you're a dummy, but the problem does sound like a > lack of fuel somewhere along the line. > > -Kyle > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I cranked the motor over - it tried to start, at least on one or two cyl. >> Then I checked the plugs. They were dry on the tips and porcelain but a >> little wet on the rim of the plug. It didn't smell like gas however. I >> then tried to start the bike with my hand restricting the air flow at the >> air filter. It did start but died when I moved my 'hand choke' I probably >> could have gotten it started that way. So, it looks like the choke isn't >> working eh? Now what? >> Graham >> On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >> >> Spraying it optimizes the conditions needed for starting. Which... means >> the chokes aren't working. If it has a strong vacuum when cranking if you >> hold your hand over any carb throat, the chokes aren't passing any fuel. WHY >> ? The "gas chokes" are very simple valve devices. If they have access to >> fuel from the float chamber and they are open to the bores when activated, >> all should work. With the throttle plates closed, the high vacuum (or , more >> properly, low pressure) should draw fuel up through the choke circuits and >> into the motor. It's as simple as a faucet. I don't want to get into any >> abstract at this point. Are the plugs getting wet when you crank the motor >> with the chioke operated ? Knowing that is a must before proceding. If they >> are, we look elsewhere. If not, we stay in the carbs. >> >> --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:05 AM >> >> Tried starting the bike this morning and there doesn't seem to be any >> improvement. It would 'bubble' along like it was trying to catch (it acted >> like a weak spark) but again it took starting fluid and the choke seemed not >> to play apart. Once it had 'caught', restricting the air flow through the >> air filter with my hand significantly increased the rpms. Maybe I should >> also check the state of the battery huh? >> Incidently I noticed the fuel gauge didn't work until I revved the engine >> significantly and held the revs. That was a new one to me, Graham >> On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: >> >> Let us know how that works out. The neutral wiring is grounded and that's >> why it always shows N / green light. Let's get into that later. You have >> multiple issues. One at a time. >> >> --- On Mon, 2/23/09, kiwi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: kiwi <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem >> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 1:16 PM >> >> Blasted those tiny holes that allow the gas through when using the >> choke with compressed air and >> spent 2 hours reinstalling the carbs. It >> still took starting fluid to get the bike started BUT, not very much >> and the choke worked a little. I'll see how it starts >> tomorrow when >> it is back to winter temperature. >> >> Second problem with this NH >> is the neutral/gear indicator. It reads N >> all the time and won't show what gear the bike is in. I found a little >> black box under the tail section that I think is part of the >> N/gear >> >> indicator system. Is there a way to check it? >> Third problem should be simple. The left front turn signal is >> 'bright' when ignition is on but will not blink when it should. The >> others work as they should. That left one shines a lot brighter than >> >> the right front when ignition is on. >> >> On Feb 22, 11:11 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I will assume your carb clean was a complete operation. Let's examine >> >> how the choke works. The cable opens valves that will >> permit raw fuel to be >> sucked into the motor during cranking. Now, lets say that works fine.Your >> plugs >> should be wet after cranking for a short while. Y-N ? The most >> common >> cause of >> the plugs being dry after cranking is the throttle plates being open too >> far and >> >> causing insufficient vacuum. Same as opening the throttle while trying >> to start. >> When the intake air flow is too low, no fuel will be drawn in from the >> choke >> circuit. If the plugs are wet, you're flooding the motor. >> >> > We start here. Additional checks of compression and a leak-down may be >> > in >> order. >> > This may take time to resolve. Get at it. >> > >> > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Nighthawk S starting problem >> > To: [email protected] >> >> > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:18 PM >> > >> > I have a 1986 Nighthawk S. It ran before I got it but always took >> > starter fluid in the air filter >> to get it going. I pulled the carbs >> > and >> >> thoroughly cleaned them and used to compressed air in all the >> > holes. However the bike still will not start without stater fluid >> > and even then it takes along time with the fluid. I noticed that >> >> > using the choke seemed to make no difference at all so, thinking that >> > perhaps the choke isn't working at all I removed the carbs again >> > (they are terrible to remove) and did what I could toi ensure the >> >> > choke was working right. The mechanism moves as it should and I used >> > compressed air in the holes to the where I >> presume the choke opens. >> >> > Now, before I reinstall the carbs, any suggestions? Could the >> > problem have been the choke or is there something else that would >> > cause the same problem. By the way, once the >> bike was warmed up, it >> >> > ran fine - just when it's cold I have to use >> starting fluid, Graham >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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