For those who want it larger but don't have a plotter...you can scan it into your computer, save it to a "c" or "d" sized PDF and send it to a place that can plot it large scale for you. Many copy places can do this. HotrodMamma. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Munz To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:41 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem
To help me I printed out the schematic on the plotter at 36"x44" ;) -Kyle On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Creative Residential Designs <[email protected]> wrote: Hint: To trace a wire I used colored pencils. HotrodMamma ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Munz To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:00 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem Here's the wiring diagram Dennis scanned for me a while back (see attached). You're looking at the "changing indicator" and "Changing switch". I'd start with the switch first myself. -Kyle On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: I wondered if anyone would notice Dennis. It's an '86. When I bought it, the tank had been replaced with an '85. I had the side covers and tail piece painted and decided to go with 85 decals for two reasons. The ones on the tank were good and I prefer the 85 cosmetics over the '86. Now I'm ready to fix the N/gear indicator light problem (always staying on N). Where do I start? Graham On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: It's an interesting bike. What year is it supposed to be ? The cosmetics are '85, the wheels are '86. The motor might have been painted ? but they look like '86 too. '84 and '85 have polished rims and cylinder fins and head cover. '86 is all black. --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 5:07 AM I don't know. There was red lettering on the ends, they were peeling so I took them off. Could they have been FZ, F something I think? On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: Pretty motorcycle. Very handsome. What make slip-ons ? --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 8:07 PM Here's the Nighthawk in question - I've solved the choke problem (it was in the carbs dummy). Thanks to Dennis. Now I have a sticking front caliper and the N light always on. At least now it starts at the touch of the button, kiwi <#1> On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Kyle Munz wrote: I can remember fighting this same problem on my dirtbike as a kid. After finding the solution I bought a sticker for the bike that read "Turn the gas on dummy!". Not to say you're a dummy, but the problem does sound like a lack of fuel somewhere along the line. -Kyle On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: I cranked the motor over - it tried to start, at least on one or two cyl. Then I checked the plugs. They were dry on the tips and porcelain but a little wet on the rim of the plug. It didn't smell like gas however. I then tried to start the bike with my hand restricting the air flow at the air filter. It did start but died when I moved my 'hand choke' I probably could have gotten it started that way. So, it looks like the choke isn't working eh? Now what? Graham On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:21 AM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: Spraying it optimizes the conditions needed for starting. Which... means the chokes aren't working. If it has a strong vacuum when cranking if you hold your hand over any carb throat, the chokes aren't passing any fuel. WHY ? The "gas chokes" are very simple valve devices. If they have access to fuel from the float chamber and they are open to the bores when activated, all should work. With the throttle plates closed, the high vacuum (or , more properly, low pressure) should draw fuel up through the choke circuits and into the motor. It's as simple as a faucet. I don't want to get into any abstract at this point. Are the plugs getting wet when you crank the motor with the chioke operated ? Knowing that is a must before proceding. If they are, we look elsewhere. If not, we stay in the carbs. --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:05 AM Tried starting the bike this morning and there doesn't seem to be any improvement. It would 'bubble' along like it was trying to catch (it acted like a weak spark) but again it took starting fluid and the choke seemed not to play apart. Once it had 'caught', restricting the air flow through the air filter with my hand significantly increased the rpms. Maybe I should also check the state of the battery huh? Incidently I noticed the fuel gauge didn't work until I revved the engine significantly and held the revs. That was a new one to me, Graham On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Dennis Hammerl wrote: Let us know how that works out. The neutral wiring is grounded and that's why it always shows N / green light. Let's get into that later. You have multiple issues. One at a time. --- On Mon, 2/23/09, kiwi <[email protected]> wrote: From: kiwi <[email protected]> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Nighthawk S starting problem To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 1:16 PM Blasted those tiny holes that allow the gas through when using thechoke with compressed air and spent 2 hours reinstalling the carbs. It still took starting fluid to get the bike started BUT, not very much and the choke worked a little. I'll see how it starts tomorrow whenit is back to winter temperature.Second problem with this NH is the neutral/gear indicator. It reads Nall the time and won't show what gear the bike is in. I found a little black box under the tail section that I think is part of the N/gearindicator system. Is there a way to check it?Third problem should be simple. The left front turn signal is'bright' when ignition is on but will not blink when it should. The others work as they should. That left one shines a lot brighter thanthe right front when ignition is on.On Feb 22, 11:11 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > I will assume your carb clean was a complete operation. Let's examinehow the > choke works. The cable opens valves that will permit raw fuel to besucked > into the motor during cranking. Now, lets say that works fine.Your plugsshould be wet after cranking for a short while. Y-N ? The most common cause ofthe plugs being dry after cranking is the throttle plates being open too far andcausing insufficient vacuum. Same as opening the throttle while trying to start.When the intake air flow is too low, no fuel will be drawn in from the chokecircuit. If the plugs are wet, you're flooding the motor.> We start here. Additional checks of compression and a leak-down may be in order.> This may take time to resolve. Get at it. >> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:> From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Nighthawk S starting problem> To: > [email protected]> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 6:18 PM >> I have a 1986 Nighthawk S. It ran before I got it but always took > >> starter fluid in the air filter to get it going. I pulled the carbs > and >> thoroughly cleaned them and used to compressed air in all the > holes. However the bike still will not start without stater fluid > and > even then it takes along time with the fluid. I noticed that > using the > choke seemed to make no difference at all so, thinking that > perhaps the choke isn't working at all I removed the carbs again > (they are > terrible to remove) and did what I could toi ensure the > choke was working > right. The mechanism moves as it should and I used > compressed air in the holes to the where I presume the choke opens. > Now, before I reinstall the carbs, any suggestions? Could the > problem have been the choke or is there something else that would > cause the same problem. By the way, once the bike was warmed up, it > ran fine - just when it's cold I have to use starting fluid, Graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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