I know it was for racing, at the time, but I suspect that Honda took their best racing designs and made their street machines after them.
________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 9:15:12 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update No, that's another story altogether. The small displacement multi's were still part of the racing program. The opposed four / six came much later as they invested heavily in the large touring market. --- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: >From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >To: [email protected] >Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > > >Yeah - like the 50cc six cylinder engineering exercise, a machine that >sorta lead to the big six opposed cruiser... > > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 3:06:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update > > >Pedestrian motorcycles for the street were of no interest to Honda. The racing >programs at MV Agusta and such did... Stuff we never saw here. Honda's street >bikes are a "trickle down" from development projects. To justify expenses, >they produce a marketable version. All the inline fours have Italian heritage. >The V-twins however, come from a marketing request. For awhile we thought that >Honda was headed in the right direction with the 600 v-twin Hawk. Maybe, just >maybe a Ducati inspiration ? What a neat little bike ! Fetch big bucks around >here. The "Barbie-ceptor" definitely made us think Ducati. A 250 v-twin with a >fairing ? Then there was that pastel color thing to consider. > >--- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:43 PM >> >> >>In Arizona back then, there weren't any Italian twins, just Triumphs; so the >>resemblance, which was not accurate with regards to the Triumph and puzzled >>me somewhat, now I understand... >>I do remember a Ducati single, but it was just a half a Honda engine..And >>that's just in retrospect here... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 2:36:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >> >> >>There was a vertical twin 650 Yamaha that was almost a clone of a Triumph. >>Early Honda's are mostly based on Italian designs. All the way up to and >>including the first 750/4. Other noteworthy attempts at cloning those sorts >>can be found in the Kawasaki twins W1 and W2. >> >>--- On Sat, 1/2/10, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 2:49 PM >>> >>> >>>I was not referring to the top speed: in circuit races, the Norton wasn't >>>as fast as the Triumph, but handled better. An experienced rider could beat >>>a Trump because of the handling. >>>Straightaway, yes, the Trump was faster. But we're talking back when Norton >>>was a 500cc, and Triumph - well, I don't remember exactly the displacement, >>>but I think it was 650. It didn't have the handling of the Norton back >>>then. >>>The new ones built since the "re-birth" handle better and have fewer >>>problems with the electrics. If you recall, the workers, after they >>>out-priced the bike with the amount they extracted in labor, tried to make a >>>go of it, and still could not, so there were no more Triumphs for a good >>>while. Norton, on the other hand, never came back. >>>I used to wonder about the resemblance of early twin Hondas to Triumph... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 12:30:05 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>> >>> >>>Really? I never heard of a Norton Bonneville. Condensed history of the >>>Triumph Bonneveille: September 1955: Johnny Allen sets the record with a >>>two-way average speed of 193.3 MPH. September 1956: Johnny Allen takes back >>>the record with a two way average speed of 214.17 (and NOT from a norton). >>>1962: Bill Johnson sets a record with a two way average speed of 230.269 >>>MPH. 1966: Bob Leppan sets a record with a two way average speed of 245.66 >>>MPH (albeit he used two 650 Bonneville engines to accomplish this). For the >>>next few years Triumph fitted the Bonneville Roadsters with "World's Fastest >>>Motorcycle" stickers. I love a good debate...send me something....I know you >>>will ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 9:38:16 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>> >>> >>>The Bonneville 650 may have been fast, but the Norton handled much better >>>and could beat it in races. Some of them liked to put a 650 engine in a >>>Norton frame over there for the races... >>> >>>Stanley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 12:45:30 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>> >>>by the name of John Britten ... >>> >>> >>>On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Kyle Munz wrote: >>> >>>Yes, but that was a kiwi pushing it that fast. >>>> >>>>-Kyle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Kim Paddock <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>Let's see...they both drive on the wrong side of the road, so that's not >>>>it...their bikes are backwards too so that's not it...Oh Yeah! The British >>>>actually made a bike that held records for speed at the salt flats! Triumph >>>>"Bonneville" 650! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>From: Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 9:03:21 AM >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>does anyone know the difference between the English and the British...? >>>>> >>>>>On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Kim Paddock wrote: >>>>> >>>>>O.K Dennis....please do tell...I want to know if the English are more >>>>>clever than the British.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 10:53:38 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Gee, are cables for that still available ? I haven't checked in a long >>>>>>time. Scuffing on the jackets is not a problem. There is a really neat >>>>>>method used by the English to lube cables. I can write it out if you want >>>>>>to know. >>>>>> >>>>>>--- On Thu, 12/31/09, NghthwkLvr (NL) <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: NghthwkLvr (NL) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Carb Cleaning 101 - 31DEC09 Update >>>>>>>To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:04 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hello group....and happy new year to all of you... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>just wanted to update you on my carb cleaning project...almost >>>>>>>finished and ready to reinstall...need to get them in before mlk day >>>>>>>(jan.18) because i go back to being a full time student on the >>>>>>>nineteenth...so with that said... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>as of today I have them set out in an upright position with a fuel >>>>>>>supply, checking for leaks...as suggested by Dennis.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>internally, i have done all the necessary cleaning, unclogging and >>>>>>>deglazing and they are looking pretty sparkly and shiny...on the >>>>>>>inside.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>the external housing is a different matter though...there are a lot of >>>>>>>little crooks and crevices that I just can't get to to degrime....I am >>>>>>>planning on using compressed air, engine degreaser, pressurized water, >>>>>>>and wd-40 to try to take care of the external cleaning...HOWEVER... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I read somewhere on the web, that soaking the carbs in boiling lemon >>>>>>>water for about 20 minutes would externally clean them right >>>>>>>up....so...what do y'all think....would y'all recommend this method or >>>>>>>not....would/could anything get damaged by this method? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>second, I was setting the carb assembly upright to check for leaks and >>>>>>>kinda noticed that the throttle cables are a bit on the worn >>>>>>>side...looks like they're the originals from back in 1984...so should/ >>>>>>>can I go ahead and replace them or just give them a good cable >>>>>>>cleaning/lubricating? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated....thanks guys! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>NghthwkLvr >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>>For more options, visit this group >>>>>>>at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>For more options, visit this group >>>>>>at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--You received this message because you are subscribed to 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