i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC (integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load flasher to work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume (but u know what happens when you assume) is the same as a no load flasher... my roommate sugests a "towing flasher unit"... but i believe that to be the same as a no load because it is an electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did you ask for a flasher unit that would function with LED lights??? the clerk might not know what a no load flasher is, but they should know what u need to make a led flash (yes, i know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you when im done working... what chain of bike store are you going to (ie honda dealer, cycle gear, internet, nappa)???
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already replaced both > units with no difference, even if I have to buy one online. I just need to > know what is the unit to buy. Thanks again Joey, Graham > > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: > > Graham, >> I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV, however - >> I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink' >> signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the relay >> is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves. >> This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard >> lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load off of >> the flasher unit, to extend its life. >> You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the >> flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do have to >> replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway. >> -Joey >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100 has two >>> units >>> in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I think >>> it's >>> called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn signal >>> relay. >>> It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of it. It goes >>> to >>> a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>> >>> Graham, >>>> At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer circuit or >>>> similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with a 555 >>>> timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555 timer is a >>>> small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It >>>> would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually function as >>>> a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this: >>>> http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm >>>> Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere. >>>> I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its hit >>>> or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However, if you >>>> go in with a part number, you should be able to get something. Anyone >>>> have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit that is >>>> a drop in replacement? >>>> -Joey >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried auto >>>>> parts >>>>> store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic flashers >>>>> so >>>>> for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals don't >>>>> light >>>>> up >>>>> at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a 555 timer >>>>> circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about half the >>>>> size >>>>> of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6 or 8 of >>>>> them >>>>> but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit. So, is >>>>> an >>>>> electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so, what does >>>>> it >>>>> mean that it didn't work? Graham >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher unit will >>>>>> continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I were you >>>>>> Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see if that >>>>>> makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any circuit - so >>>>>> it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either. >>>>>> -Joey >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [email protected] >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw >>>>>>> enough >>>>>>> amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test is >>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>> simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight) into >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital flasher >>>>>>> unit >>>>>>> (spicifily for led turnsignals)... >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am >>>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> From: "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that have >>>>>>> nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So I'll >>>>>>> describe one. (The other is a kz1000). >>>>>>> It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals with new >>>>>>> after markets. The front originls were running lights with three >>>>>>> wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals >>>>>>> hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly on the >>>>>>> front ones, leaving the running lights wires open (unconnected). The >>>>>>> turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when I >>>>>>> push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have changed >>>>>>> the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new battery >>>>>>> and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to me >>>>>>> there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make it >>>>>>> work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the other - >>>>>>> way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all grounds, >>>>>>> added one, no difference. Any suggestions? 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