i feel bad that i kinda led you on a wild goose chase.... i hope it all works out
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > that's okay, you got me in the right direction. In light of the Nighthawk > signals working the whole system, it makes sense that an electronic flasher > unit of some sort should work. At least now I can find signals that will > work with the stock system, Thanks a lot, Graham > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:08 PM, paul annen wrote: > > im out of sugestions... sorry, i am stumped > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'll try that, But I just hooked up a CB650SC rear turn signal in >> place of one of el cheapos and it worked. That one blinked the front el >> cheapo and the back Nighthawk signal. I switched it to the other side and >> same thing - both signals worked on that side, Graham >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:52 PM, paul annen wrote: >> >> mabey (if you havent returned the flasher yet) plug the flasher into a >> bike that you know works correctly?? >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'll go out and attach stock turn signals and see if it works >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:49 PM, paul annen wrote: >>> >>> yea, thats whats confusing me.. the electronic flasher should flash >>> regardless of load... i would have to play with the unit with a >>> multi meter to figure it out... mabey the relay isent getting enough amps to >>> trip now??? but if that were the case the bulbs should flash extra fast... >>> im just confused >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Without the electronic flasher, just using the stock set up (flasher >>>> unit and relay unit, the replacement turn signals light up when activating >>>> the turn signal switch. They don't blink, they just light up, the right >>>> ones when I use the handle bar switch (push it to the right) and the left >>>> hand ones when I push the switch to the left. They do not blink. With the >>>> electronic flasher, they don't even light up using the switch, Graham >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:35 PM, paul annen wrote: >>>> >>>> im confused onto the fast that they dident work at all at first, but >>>> with a stock flasher they worked ok (the little faster flash is a function >>>> of the bulbs drawing more amps then the orignals) but thats good that the >>>> bulbs lit up, it shows that they do work, but why would they work now but >>>> not before???? not shure i will ever know, a flasher circuit is fairly >>>> simple and fool proof (no offence... thats what its suposed to be >>>> anyway)... >>>> im afraid im out of advice unless i could put my hands on it.... are you >>>> shure you wired it back in right??? thats the only other way i can see it >>>> not working at all.... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Paul, I went to a Western Auto store . They had plenty of electronic >>>>> flashers and the clerk said this is what they sold for LED lights. >>>>> Interestingly, the same lights (el cheapo, very small bulbs) turn signals >>>>> worked on a CB650SC. I took off the stock turn signals, not because they >>>>> weren't any good but because they are in mint condition. I then replaced >>>>> them with the el cheapos and they work fine with the stock flasher unit. >>>>> They do flash a little faster though, Graham >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:14 PM, paul annen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC >>>>> (integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load flasher to >>>>> work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume (but u know what happens >>>>> when you assume) is the same as a no load flasher... my roommate sugests a >>>>> "towing flasher unit"... but i believe that to be the same as a no load >>>>> because it is an electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate >>>>> regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did you ask for a >>>>> flasher unit that would function with LED lights??? the clerk might not >>>>> know >>>>> what a no load flasher is, but they should know what u need to make a led >>>>> flash (yes, i know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load >>>>> flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you when im >>>>> done >>>>> working... what chain of bike store are you going to (ie honda dealer, >>>>> cycle >>>>> gear, internet, nappa)??? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already replaced both >>>>>> units with no difference, even if I have to buy one online. I just need >>>>>> to >>>>>> know what is the unit to buy. Thanks again Joey, Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham, >>>>>>> I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV, however - >>>>>>> I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink' >>>>>>> signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the relay >>>>>>> is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves. >>>>>>> This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard >>>>>>> lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load off of >>>>>>> the flasher unit, to extend its life. >>>>>>> You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the >>>>>>> flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do have to >>>>>>> replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway. >>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100 has >>>>>>>> two units >>>>>>>> in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I >>>>>>>> think it's >>>>>>>> called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn signal >>>>>>>> relay. >>>>>>>> It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of it. It >>>>>>>> goes to >>>>>>>> a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Graham, >>>>>>>>> At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer circuit or >>>>>>>>> similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with a >>>>>>>>> 555 >>>>>>>>> timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555 timer >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It >>>>>>>>> would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually function >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this: >>>>>>>>> http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm >>>>>>>>> Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere. >>>>>>>>> I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its hit >>>>>>>>> or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However, if >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> go in with a part number, you should be able to get something. >>>>>>>>> Anyone >>>>>>>>> have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit that >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> a drop in replacement? >>>>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried >>>>>>>>>> auto parts >>>>>>>>>> store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic >>>>>>>>>> flashers >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals don't >>>>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>> at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a 555 >>>>>>>>>> timer >>>>>>>>>> circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about >>>>>>>>>> half the >>>>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>>>> of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6 or >>>>>>>>>> 8 of >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit. So, >>>>>>>>>> is an >>>>>>>>>> electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so, what >>>>>>>>>> does it >>>>>>>>>> mean that it didn't work? Graham >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher unit >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I >>>>>>>>>>> were you >>>>>>>>>>> Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see if >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any circuit >>>>>>>>>>> - so >>>>>>>>>>> it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either. >>>>>>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw >>>>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>>>> amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test is >>>>>>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>>>>>> simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight) >>>>>>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>>>>>> circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital >>>>>>>>>>>> flasher unit >>>>>>>>>>>> (spicifily for led turnsignals)... >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>> describe one. (The other is a kz1000). >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals with >>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>> after markets. The front originls were running lights with >>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>> wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals >>>>>>>>>>>> hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> front ones, leaving the running lights wires open (unconnected). >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have >>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>> the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new >>>>>>>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>>>>> and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to >>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>> there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the >>>>>>>>>>>> other - >>>>>>>>>>>> way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all >>>>>>>>>>>> grounds, >>>>>>>>>>>> added one, no difference. Any suggestions? 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