i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC
(integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load
flasher to work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume
(but u know what happens when you assume) is the same as a no
load flasher... my roommate sugests a "towing flasher unit"...
but i believe that to be the same as a no load because it is an
electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate
regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did
you ask for a flasher unit that would function with LED
lights??? the clerk might not know what a no load flasher is,
but they should know what u need to make a led flash (yes, i
know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load
flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you
when im done working... what chain of bike store are you going
to (ie honda dealer, cycle gear, internet, nappa)???
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers
<graha...@ptd.net> wrote:
I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already
replaced both units with no difference, even if I have to buy
one online. I just need to know what is the unit to buy.
Thanks again Joey, Graham
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote:
Graham,
I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV,
however -
I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink'
signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the
relay
is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves.
This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard
lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load
off of
the flasher unit, to extend its life.
You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the
flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do
have to
replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway.
-Joey
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers
<graha...@ptd.net> wrote:
Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100
has two units
in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I
think it's
called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn
signal relay.
It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of
it. It goes to
a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham
On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote:
Graham,
At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer
circuit or
similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with
a 555
timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555
timer is a
small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It
would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually
function as
a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this:
http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm
Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere.
I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its
hit
or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However,
if you
go in with a part number, you should be able to get something.
Anyone
have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit
that is
a drop in replacement?
-Joey
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers
<graha...@ptd.net> wrote:
This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried
auto parts
store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic
flashers
so
for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals
don't light
up
at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a
555 timer
circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about
half the
size
of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6
or 8 of
them
but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit.
So, is an
electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so,
what does it
mean that it didn't work? Graham
On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote:
Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher
unit will
continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I
were you
Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see
if that
makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any
circuit - so
it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either.
-Joey
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, greenzer...@gmail.com
<greenzer...@gmail.com> wrote:
The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw
enough
amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test
is fairly
simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight)
into the
circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital
flasher unit
(spicifily for led turnsignals)...
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Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am
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From: "Graham Rogers" <graha...@ptd.net>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working
Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that have
nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So
I'll
describe one. (The other is a kz1000).
It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals
with new
after markets. The front originls were running lights with three
wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals
hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly
on the
front ones, leaving the running lights wires open
(unconnected). The
turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when I
push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have
changed
the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new
battery
and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to me
there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make it
work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the
other -
way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all grounds,
added one, no difference. Any suggestions? Graham
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