im confused onto the fast that they dident work at all at first, but with a stock flasher they worked ok (the little faster flash is a function of the bulbs drawing more amps then the orignals) but thats good that the bulbs lit up, it shows that they do work, but why would they work now but not before???? not shure i will ever know, a flasher circuit is fairly simple and fool proof (no offence... thats what its suposed to be anyway)... im afraid im out of advice unless i could put my hands on it.... are you shure you wired it back in right??? thats the only other way i can see it not working at all....
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, I went to a Western Auto store . They had plenty of electronic > flashers and the clerk said this is what they sold for LED lights. > Interestingly, the same lights (el cheapo, very small bulbs) turn signals > worked on a CB650SC. I took off the stock turn signals, not because they > weren't any good but because they are in mint condition. I then replaced > them with the el cheapos and they work fine with the stock flasher unit. > They do flash a little faster though, Graham > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:14 PM, paul annen wrote: > > i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC > (integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load flasher to > work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume (but u know what happens > when you assume) is the same as a no load flasher... my roommate sugests a > "towing flasher unit"... but i believe that to be the same as a no load > because it is an electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate > regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did you ask for a > flasher unit that would function with LED lights??? the clerk might not know > what a no load flasher is, but they should know what u need to make a led > flash (yes, i know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load > flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you when im done > working... what chain of bike store are you going to (ie honda dealer, cycle > gear, internet, nappa)??? > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already replaced both >> units with no difference, even if I have to buy one online. I just need to >> know what is the unit to buy. Thanks again Joey, Graham >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >> >> Graham, >>> I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV, however - >>> I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink' >>> signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the relay >>> is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves. >>> This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard >>> lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load off of >>> the flasher unit, to extend its life. >>> You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the >>> flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do have to >>> replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway. >>> -Joey >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100 has two >>>> units >>>> in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I think >>>> it's >>>> called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn signal >>>> relay. >>>> It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of it. It >>>> goes to >>>> a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>>> At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer circuit or >>>>> similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with a 555 >>>>> timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555 timer is a >>>>> small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It >>>>> would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually function as >>>>> a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this: >>>>> http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm >>>>> Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere. >>>>> I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its hit >>>>> or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However, if you >>>>> go in with a part number, you should be able to get something. Anyone >>>>> have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit that is >>>>> a drop in replacement? >>>>> -Joey >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried auto >>>>>> parts >>>>>> store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic >>>>>> flashers >>>>>> so >>>>>> for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals don't >>>>>> light >>>>>> up >>>>>> at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a 555 >>>>>> timer >>>>>> circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about half >>>>>> the >>>>>> size >>>>>> of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6 or 8 of >>>>>> them >>>>>> but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit. So, is >>>>>> an >>>>>> electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so, what does >>>>>> it >>>>>> mean that it didn't work? Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher unit >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I were >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see if that >>>>>>> makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any circuit - so >>>>>>> it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either. >>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [email protected] >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw >>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>> amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test is >>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>> simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight) into >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital flasher >>>>>>>> unit >>>>>>>> (spicifily for led turnsignals)... >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am >>>>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> From: "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that have >>>>>>>> nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So I'll >>>>>>>> describe one. (The other is a kz1000). >>>>>>>> It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals with new >>>>>>>> after markets. The front originls were running lights with three >>>>>>>> wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals >>>>>>>> hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly on the >>>>>>>> front ones, leaving the running lights wires open (unconnected). >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when I >>>>>>>> push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have changed >>>>>>>> the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new battery >>>>>>>> and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to me >>>>>>>> there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make it >>>>>>>> work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the other - >>>>>>>> way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all grounds, >>>>>>>> added one, no difference. Any suggestions? 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