mabey (if you havent returned the flasher yet) plug the flasher into a bike that you know works correctly??
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll go out and attach stock turn signals and see if it works > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:49 PM, paul annen wrote: > > yea, thats whats confusing me.. the electronic flasher should flash > regardless of load... i would have to play with the unit with a > multi meter to figure it out... mabey the relay isent getting enough amps to > trip now??? but if that were the case the bulbs should flash extra fast... > im just confused > > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Without the electronic flasher, just using the stock set up (flasher unit >> and relay unit, the replacement turn signals light up when activating the >> turn signal switch. They don't blink, they just light up, the right ones >> when I use the handle bar switch (push it to the right) and the left hand >> ones when I push the switch to the left. They do not blink. With the >> electronic flasher, they don't even light up using the switch, Graham >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:35 PM, paul annen wrote: >> >> im confused onto the fast that they dident work at all at first, but with >> a stock flasher they worked ok (the little faster flash is a function of the >> bulbs drawing more amps then the orignals) but thats good that the bulbs lit >> up, it shows that they do work, but why would they work now but not >> before???? not shure i will ever know, a flasher circuit is fairly simple >> and fool proof (no offence... thats what its suposed to be anyway)... im >> afraid im out of advice unless i could put my hands on it.... are you shure >> you wired it back in right??? thats the only other way i can see it not >> working at all.... >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Paul, I went to a Western Auto store . They had plenty of electronic >>> flashers and the clerk said this is what they sold for LED lights. >>> Interestingly, the same lights (el cheapo, very small bulbs) turn signals >>> worked on a CB650SC. I took off the stock turn signals, not because they >>> weren't any good but because they are in mint condition. I then replaced >>> them with the el cheapos and they work fine with the stock flasher unit. >>> They do flash a little faster though, Graham >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:14 PM, paul annen wrote: >>> >>> i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC >>> (integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load flasher to >>> work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume (but u know what happens >>> when you assume) is the same as a no load flasher... my roommate sugests a >>> "towing flasher unit"... but i believe that to be the same as a no load >>> because it is an electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate >>> regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did you ask for a >>> flasher unit that would function with LED lights??? the clerk might not know >>> what a no load flasher is, but they should know what u need to make a led >>> flash (yes, i know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load >>> flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you when im done >>> working... what chain of bike store are you going to (ie honda dealer, cycle >>> gear, internet, nappa)??? >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already replaced both >>>> units with no difference, even if I have to buy one online. I just need to >>>> know what is the unit to buy. Thanks again Joey, Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>>> I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV, however - >>>>> I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink' >>>>> signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the relay >>>>> is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves. >>>>> This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard >>>>> lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load off of >>>>> the flasher unit, to extend its life. >>>>> You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the >>>>> flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do have to >>>>> replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway. >>>>> -Joey >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100 has two >>>>>> units >>>>>> in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I think >>>>>> it's >>>>>> called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn signal >>>>>> relay. >>>>>> It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of it. It >>>>>> goes to >>>>>> a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham, >>>>>>> At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer circuit or >>>>>>> similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with a 555 >>>>>>> timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555 timer is >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It >>>>>>> would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually function as >>>>>>> a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this: >>>>>>> http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm >>>>>>> Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere. >>>>>>> I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its hit >>>>>>> or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However, if you >>>>>>> go in with a part number, you should be able to get something. Anyone >>>>>>> have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit that is >>>>>>> a drop in replacement? >>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried auto >>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>> store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic >>>>>>>> flashers >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals don't >>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a 555 >>>>>>>> timer >>>>>>>> circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about half >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>> of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6 or 8 >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit. So, >>>>>>>> is an >>>>>>>> electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so, what >>>>>>>> does it >>>>>>>> mean that it didn't work? Graham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher unit >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I were >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see if >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any circuit - >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either. >>>>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw >>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>> amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test is >>>>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>>>> simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight) >>>>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>>>> circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital flasher >>>>>>>>>> unit >>>>>>>>>> (spicifily for led turnsignals)... >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am >>>>>>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that have >>>>>>>>>> nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So >>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>> describe one. (The other is a kz1000). >>>>>>>>>> It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals with >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> after markets. The front originls were running lights with three >>>>>>>>>> wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals >>>>>>>>>> hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> front ones, leaving the running lights wires open (unconnected). >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when I >>>>>>>>>> push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have >>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>> the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new >>>>>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>>> and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to me >>>>>>>>>> there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make it >>>>>>>>>> work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the other >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all grounds, >>>>>>>>>> added one, no difference. Any suggestions? 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