im out of sugestions... sorry, i am stumped On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll try that, But I just hooked up a CB650SC rear turn signal in place > of one of el cheapos and it worked. That one blinked the front el cheapo > and the back Nighthawk signal. I switched it to the other side and same > thing - both signals worked on that side, Graham > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:52 PM, paul annen wrote: > > mabey (if you havent returned the flasher yet) plug the flasher into a bike > that you know works correctly?? > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'll go out and attach stock turn signals and see if it works >> >> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:49 PM, paul annen wrote: >> >> yea, thats whats confusing me.. the electronic flasher should flash >> regardless of load... i would have to play with the unit with a >> multi meter to figure it out... mabey the relay isent getting enough amps to >> trip now??? but if that were the case the bulbs should flash extra fast... >> im just confused >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Without the electronic flasher, just using the stock set up (flasher >>> unit and relay unit, the replacement turn signals light up when activating >>> the turn signal switch. They don't blink, they just light up, the right >>> ones when I use the handle bar switch (push it to the right) and the left >>> hand ones when I push the switch to the left. They do not blink. With the >>> electronic flasher, they don't even light up using the switch, Graham >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:35 PM, paul annen wrote: >>> >>> im confused onto the fast that they dident work at all at first, but with >>> a stock flasher they worked ok (the little faster flash is a function of the >>> bulbs drawing more amps then the orignals) but thats good that the bulbs lit >>> up, it shows that they do work, but why would they work now but not >>> before???? not shure i will ever know, a flasher circuit is fairly simple >>> and fool proof (no offence... thats what its suposed to be anyway)... im >>> afraid im out of advice unless i could put my hands on it.... are you shure >>> you wired it back in right??? thats the only other way i can see it not >>> working at all.... >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Paul, I went to a Western Auto store . They had plenty of electronic >>>> flashers and the clerk said this is what they sold for LED lights. >>>> Interestingly, the same lights (el cheapo, very small bulbs) turn signals >>>> worked on a CB650SC. I took off the stock turn signals, not because they >>>> weren't any good but because they are in mint condition. I then replaced >>>> them with the el cheapos and they work fine with the stock flasher unit. >>>> They do flash a little faster though, Graham >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:14 PM, paul annen wrote: >>>> >>>> i agree with stanley and joey... the 555 is a simple IC >>>> (integrated circuit)... but that is what causes the no-load flasher to >>>> work... an electronic flasher unit i would assume (but u know what happens >>>> when you assume) is the same as a no load flasher... my roommate sugests a >>>> "towing flasher unit"... but i believe that to be the same as a no load >>>> because it is an electronic setup designed to flash at a standard rate >>>> regardless of amp draw... when you were at the bike shop did you ask for a >>>> flasher unit that would function with LED lights??? the clerk might not >>>> know >>>> what a no load flasher is, but they should know what u need to make a led >>>> flash (yes, i know you dont have leds, but that should be a no load >>>> flasher...) i will see if i can find a link/part number for you when im >>>> done >>>> working... what chain of bike store are you going to (ie honda dealer, >>>> cycle >>>> gear, internet, nappa)??? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm waiting to hear of a drop in unit since I've already replaced both >>>>> units with no difference, even if I have to buy one online. I just need >>>>> to >>>>> know what is the unit to buy. Thanks again Joey, Graham >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Graham, >>>>>> I'm not an electrician, nor do I play one on TV, however - >>>>>> I would guess that the flasher unit is what is sending the 'blink' >>>>>> signal to the lights, IE - you're on now, you're off now - the relay >>>>>> is probably just relaying that signal on to the lights themselves. >>>>>> This would be suggested if you have the option of four way hazard >>>>>> lights (ie emergency flashers) or simply want to take the load off of >>>>>> the flasher unit, to extend its life. >>>>>> You shouldn't need to replace the relay. I would try the >>>>>> flasher first, you have nothing to lose, since even if you do have to >>>>>> replace the relay, you'd have to replace the flasher anyway. >>>>>> -Joey >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Joey, I also need to know something else. The GS1100 has two >>>>>>> units >>>>>>> in the turn signal system. One is the 3 prong flasher unit. I think >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> called turn signal unit on Bike Bandit. The other is a turn signal >>>>>>> relay. >>>>>>> It's a bigger unit with more than three wires coming out of it. It >>>>>>> goes to >>>>>>> a harness under the tank. Do I need to replace both? Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Graham, >>>>>>>> At the heart of a no-load flasher is a 555 timer circuit or >>>>>>>> similar - no one is suggesting that if you aren't familiar with a >>>>>>>> 555 >>>>>>>> timer that you go purchase one and attempt to use it. A 555 timer is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> small integrated circuit, probably what you saw at Radio Shack. It >>>>>>>> would require additional circuitry and wiring to actually function >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> a no load flasher unit. A quick Google search resulted in this: >>>>>>>> http://www.customled.com/products/flasher_relay/flasher_relay.htm >>>>>>>> Not sure if you could find a similar unit elsewhere. >>>>>>>> I've found that if I go to larger auto parts stores its hit >>>>>>>> or miss if I find an employee that knows their stuff. However, if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> go in with a part number, you should be able to get something. >>>>>>>> Anyone >>>>>>>> have a suggestion on a part number for a no-load flasher unit that >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a drop in replacement? >>>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This morning I went searching for a 'no load' flasher. I tried auto >>>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>>> store and they had never heard of it. They did have electronic >>>>>>>>> flashers >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> for $13 I bought one of them and tried it. The turn signals don't >>>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> at all with that unit. I went to radio shack in search of a 555 >>>>>>>>> timer >>>>>>>>> circuit, again unheard of. One clerk did show me a unit about half >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>>> of a postage stamp with tiny prongs coming out of it - about 6 or 8 >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> but there was no way that could substitute as a flasher unit. So, >>>>>>>>> is an >>>>>>>>> electronic flasher the same as a no load flasher and if so, what >>>>>>>>> does it >>>>>>>>> mean that it didn't work? Graham >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Joey Kelley wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thats where I was going with that as well- a No-Load flasher unit >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> continue to flash no matter what load is on the circuit. If I were >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> Graham - I'd swap the flasher unit for a no-load unit and see if >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> makes a difference. I think you can use a No-load on any circuit - >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> it wouldn't harm traditional bulbs either. >>>>>>>>>> -Joey >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The main reason flashers units dont work is the bulbs dont draw >>>>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>>>> amps (did u reace with a lower watt bulb or leds???) the test is >>>>>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>>>>> simple, hook up a large light (i used a sealed beam headlight) >>>>>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>>>>> circuit... If this makes it flash u need to get a digital flasher >>>>>>>>>>> unit >>>>>>>>>>> (spicifily for led turnsignals)... >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:24:11 am >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] turn signals not working >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's one I'm fed up with working on. I have two bikes that >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> nonworking right turn signals. They both do the same thing. So >>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>> describe one. (The other is a kz1000). >>>>>>>>>>> It's a 1982/83 Suzuki GS1100L. I replaced the turn signals with >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> after markets. The front originls were running lights with three >>>>>>>>>>> wires, the replacements are just two wire. So with the signals >>>>>>>>>>> hooked up - and I'm sure I have the wires connected correctly on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> front ones, leaving the running lights wires open (unconnected). >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> turn signals stay on when activated. The left ones turn on when >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> push the switch to the left, and same for the right. I have >>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>> the flasher unit and the relay unit - no difference. A new >>>>>>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>>>> and correct charging voltage makes no difference. It seems to me >>>>>>>>>>> there's not enough voltage getting to the flasher unit to make it >>>>>>>>>>> work. One wire out of the flasher unit reads over 12 v, the other >>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> way under (it's a three prong unit). I have checked all grounds, >>>>>>>>>>> added one, no difference. Any suggestions? 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