i.e. sometimes (oftentimes?) it isn't possible to have that direct dialogue.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]>wrote: > Just sucks when potential employers haven't done due diligence and have > signed an onerous contract that prevents this kind of dialogue... > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]>wrote: > >> This is sometimes true in the US as well. It really just depends on the >> specifics. I always seek to develop a direct relationship to mitigate my >> personal risk. >> >> >> >> >> >> *ASB >> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* >> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) >> for the SMB market…*** >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Interesting & good to know.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> In Australia, you deal with the end company (i.e. you will interview >>> with the recruiter, but then you’ll interview with the company direct). The >>> recruiter isn’t involved once your hired. Gives you plenty of opportunity >>> to ask whatever you need to the client direct.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Cheers**** >>> >>> Ken**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 1:13 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I'm sick of them. I went to an office once to start a contract, after >>> resigning my old one, to find out it was actually an interview. >>> >>> I've seen them pull so many stunts it's unbelievable. I'm chasing one >>> through the courts now for seven thousand pounds of unpaid wages. >>> >>> This week I mentioned I might not be able to extend my current contract >>> unless they could negotiate a bit more remote working, to which the agent >>> responded "leave it with us and we will try". Imagine my surprise to >>> receive an email from a contractor friend asking why I had left my position >>> and if I wanted to meet him for lunch to discuss a handover strategy! >>> >>> I would give my right arm for companies to deal with me directly. >>> Recruitment agents require a new circle of Hell to be put on Satan's next >>> yearly budget.**** >>> >>> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email >>> RELIABLY**** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *William Robbins <[email protected]> **** >>> >>> *Sender: *[email protected]**** >>> >>> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:04:42 -0500**** >>> >>> *To: *<[email protected]>**** >>> >>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> BTDT. Recently actually. I had a recruiter lie to me about a contract. >>> (Found that out later, he was fired, but that didn't help me in the end) >>> **** >>> >>> Recruiter told me, in writing it was a contract to hire position. I got >>> an email from the client I was working at on a Wednesday that Friday would >>> be my last day, and to please turn in my badge and equipment. (Nice, huh?) >>> **** >>> >>> When I brought up what I had been led to believe and the sole reason I >>> left a current FTE position I was told that this was never to be anything >>> more than a 90 day contract. Which I never would have accepted over my >>> current FTE position. I've mostly recovered, but as you say I wish >>> ill-will towards lying recruiters.**** >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> - WJR**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> There isn't any loyalty around anywhere. I've just spent three hours >>> dealing with lying, conniving recruitment agents - they should all be >>> exterminated.**** >>> >>> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email >>> RELIABLY**** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *William Robbins <[email protected]> **** >>> >>> *Sender: *[email protected]**** >>> >>> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:12:47 -0500**** >>> >>> *To: *<[email protected]>**** >>> >>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> My advice: Say nothing to current employers, ever. Especially in a >>> situation where they won't commit to converting you to an FTE.**** >>> >>> *After* you get an offer, in writing, from new place then you meet with >>> your current manager and explain that you had hoped to have been converted >>> to an FTE by now, but since they haven't you are left to assume your >>> position there is tenuous at best and you have found a new opportunity that >>> serves your best interest long term.**** >>> >>> 2 weeks is fairly standard IME. Finishing up projects is well >>> intentioned and all, but honestly not your responsibility once you've made >>> a commitment to the new firm.**** >>> >>> I understand your sense of loyalty, but bear in mind they haven't >>> exactly been loyal to you. Companies aren't people, no matter what the >>> .gov says. Companies look out for no one...IMHO.**** >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> - WJR**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Morning all. Just curious as to thoughts from some colleagues in the >>> field.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Say you were in a job as a contractor at a smaller firm, and the job was >>> supposed to convert to full time in a few months, but that didn't happen. >>> However, your contract is extended several times so you are still at the >>> position. it may end in 6 months after being extended 18. The people at >>> the place are really great and the environment is laid back and casual with >>> very low stress.**** >>> >>> >>> So you keep your options open and along comes what may be a very good >>> opportunity with a large well established place that is insourcing and >>> building a new team right in your preferred geography. It is also a 6 >>> month contract to start out, but the company wants to make it permanent >>> based on all information given.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Do you share with your current gig that you are checking into this?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Or if you don't share the info, and you get the offer, how do you tell >>> your current gig so as not to burn any bridges?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> And if the new gig was a go, they want an immediate start time (within 2 >>> weeks) because their outsourced people doing the support are going to be >>> gone in that time. However, you are working on finishing up projects for >>> the current gig.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Any thoughts appreciated.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Don K**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> >
